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Carbon Monoxide: Three dead in South Providence

Tim,

Last year, a row home exploded taking with it four other row homes and our customer's business, which was an unattached three-story brick building. The blast shifted our customer's building off of its foundation, so it had to be demolished.

The row home that exploded was vacant. The landlord & his helper had been there working on a furnace earlier. A disgruntled tenant had broken in and vandalized the property too.

The fire dept wanted to investigate the cause and retained us for the job. Soon as they could remove enough rubble to give us access to the basement, we were to visit the site and check for signs of equipment malfunction or if we could assist in determining the origin of the blast.

Before that could happen, a high-muck approved a complete site clean-up and before the fire dept knew it, all evidence was gone & the basements filled in with dirt!

That boiler should have remained on site and been fully tested before removal. JMHO

Comments

  • gasfolk
    gasfolk Member Posts: 392
    Three dead in South Providence

    A boiler recently had been installed in the single-family house

    Personally, I really appreciate The Wall (and Mark Hunt) convincing us how dangerous this stuff can be.

    gf
  • gasfolk
    gasfolk Member Posts: 392
    Around Town...

    A boiler recently had been installed in the single-family house

    To The Wall and Mark Hunt: Thanks for spreading the word how dangerous this stuff can be.

    gf
  • gasfolk
    gasfolk Member Posts: 392
    Amateurs Beware...

    A boiler recently had been installed in the single-family house

    To The Wall (and Mark Hunt): Thanks for spreading the word. This stuff is dangerous.

    gf
  • Mark Hunt_3
    Mark Hunt_3 Member Posts: 184
    Sad


    and so preventable.

    The first line of defense against CO poisoning is not a CO alarm.

    It is a trained professional.

    Mark H
  • Saggs
    Saggs Member Posts: 174


    Poor Souls... If someone has further info on this I'd like to see it posted here. We can all learn somthing from it.
  • Larry (from OSHA)
    Larry (from OSHA) Member Posts: 716
    And more

    There was another one in St. Paul yesterday. A young man sleeping in a basement bedroom near a boiler that apparently hadn't been serviced for a long time.

    http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/13502296.html

    Larry
  • John R. Hall
    John R. Hall Member Posts: 2,246
    Getting repititious

    This bullsh*t keeps going on and on and on ad nauseum. I get the alerts every day and sadly, none of this stuff is suprising. I guess I've become numb to ignorance.
  • Larry (from OSHA)
    Larry (from OSHA) Member Posts: 716
    a different approach

    how many happen in Germany or anywhere else in Europe? I don't know, but I'm guessing fewer. Mandated inspections etc. may have some benefits, but in our culture of resisting more regulation in our lives, the type of legislation that will continue to occur will be requirements for CO detectors of the current flavor placed in residences. That might do some good, but we all know that there are some issues with that as well. There is certainly room for improvement on all fronts.

    Larry
  • Mark Hunt_3
    Mark Hunt_3 Member Posts: 184
    I've gotten


    stories from all over the world. I am 99% sure that I posted a story from England about a landlord that was sentenced to a prison term for failing to maintain a heating appliance that produced CO and killed a family.

    One from China, not a heating appliance, several children killed at a day care center when an employee of the center placed a generator in an adjoining room for power during an outage.

    Mark H
  • This is in my area

    I will be talking to my contact at the gas company tomorrow and find out what took place.
  • NFPA Monthly News Letter

    I am sure that many of you are also members of NFPA, and receive the Members-Exclusive monthly news letter.

    If you do not, the following is the first paragraph at the top of this month’s newsletter. The next line was also the very next line in that order, in the same news letter.


    "Carbon monoxide incidents jump 18 percent
    U.S. fire departments responded to an average of seven calls per hour for non-fire carbon monoxide incidents in 2005. Learn to protect your family from CO, and how an NFPA technical committee is expanding NFPA 720 to make all occupancies safer".

    "Fire service: Teach your community about preventing home-heating fires. "


    Hits home, doesn't it??


    Ed Carey
  • TK03
    TK03 Member Posts: 54


    I have been preaching the last three years or so in my seminars we need better CO detectors. The junk that meets the standards are not enough(70ppm). People with heart problems, asthma and smokers and the very young should not be in more than 25 ppm. The junk from the big box stores and everywhere else (which do meet standards) do not peotect us fine americans.
  • gasfolk
    gasfolk Member Posts: 392
    From today's paper...

    No licensed plumber could have done the installation “because it is so wrong,” said police Maj. Stephen Campbell. For the time being, however, the police have refused to divulge how the installation was flawed or to answer certain other specific questions about the heating system.

    http://www.projo.com/news/content/Death_Folo_01-09-08_458HQ0N_v27.287d59c.html

    gf
  • Jim Davis_3
    Jim Davis_3 Member Posts: 578
    Manslaughter-Homocide Investigation

    Finally this is being treated as a crime. Doesn't matter if harm wasn't intended. Duh!! Article said the installation was so bad it couldn't be a licensed contractor. For sure!! If the guy wasn't licensed wouldn't the supplier of the boiler be liable for providing boiler to such an individual?

    Wasn't it nice that they did an autopsy(necropsy) on the pet rabbit!
  • Jim, the problem here in Rhode Island

    is that you can purchase a boiler without a license or a permit in some places.

    Everyone I talk to is being very closed mouth about this. My sources are sworn to secrecy about just exactly what happened.This happens all the time. Instead of talking about what they find it becomes a closed investigation and no body learns anthing.

    How about this they are going to remove the boiler and water heater so they can see what is wrong with them. Somebody better get in their who knows what they are doing.

    This I do know the lead investigator from the utility is from Public Relations. What do you think they know about boilers?
  • Robert O'Connor_12
    Robert O'Connor_12 Member Posts: 728
    yet another tragedy

    Not CO but worse!

    So sad.



    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b8e_1199991218&p=1



    Robert O'Connor/NJ


  • Jim Davis_3
    Jim Davis_3 Member Posts: 578
    Boiler removed by police on this job

    Now how is anyone going to prove that is was the installation that caused the problem. Said they needed it for fingerprints. Can't CSI do that on the site???
  • ALH_4
    ALH_4 Member Posts: 1,790
    Failed Thermostat

    This story is a tragedy, but certainly the cause for this tragedy was more than a failed thermostat. If the thermostat sticks on, the room will get too hot but the heating system should not explode. Also their assertion that thermostats are only good for 5 years is ridiculous.
  • Better yet!

    They took all of the related components including the expansion tank and water heater. By the way, the paper this morning stated that this was a used Enerjet that was installed in this house just before New Years. The oldest son is in the Navy and was having trouble reaching the family so he contacted a neighbor who in turn called the police.

    Where this will help is in tracking down the person that installed it. Since it isn't a new boiler they will not be able to trace it to a particular distributor or installer. The finger prints on the newer components will be their only key to who the culprit is. They are in fact taking this one very seriously and probably will be handling it as a Negligent Homicide type case much like the Nightclub Fire we had here a few years ago that killed 100 people. Those folks only got 4 year sentences though and are eligible for Parole after 16 months.

    Glenn Stanton

    Manager of Technical Development

    Burnham Hydronics

    U.S. Boiler Co., Inc.
  • gasfolk
    gasfolk Member Posts: 392
    The national CO experience...

    Prompted by this incident, the local paper has printed these remarkable statistics:

    'The Silent Killer'

    Excerpt: "In 2005 alone, U.S. fire departments responded to more than 61,100 calls in which higher-than-normal levels of the gas were found, according to the National Fire Protection Association....The Centers for Disease Control estimates that about 480 people died annually between 2002 and 2004 from carbon-monoxide exposure. The gas poisons about 1,500 people a year."

    http://www.projo.com/news/content/carbon_monoxide_01-11-08_4T8IP71_v29.2a30d99.html
  • gasfolk
    gasfolk Member Posts: 392
    The National CO Experience

    Prompted by this incident, the local paper has printed these remarkable statistics:

    'The Silent Killer'

    Excerpt: "In 2005 alone, U.S. fire departments responded to more than 61,100 calls in which higher-than-normal levels of the gas were found, according to the National Fire Protection Association....The Centers for Disease Control estimates that about 480 people died annually between 2002 and 2004 from carbon-monoxide exposure. The gas poisons about 1,500 people a year."

    http://www.projo.com/news/content/carbon_monoxide_01-11-08_4T8IP71_v29.2a30d99.html

    gf
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