And Brady, Moss, and the Patriots continue

Ron Huber_2

Were one of the first NFL teams to start using steroids in the 70's, Mike Webster (their all pro center) was one of the casualties of that practice.

Ruthe Jubinville_2

Patriots

continue their march to #1 Ruthe

Home Depot Employee

That was a given!

It's the Buffalo Bills (losing team for a dying city)

Timco

Try being a Raider fan...another typical week....

Tim

Bryan_16

prepared

with the best surveillance, uh scouting, I mean, they should be good.

Supply House Rick

The year in sports

Let's see:

*Barry Bonds

*The Patriots

*Marion Jones

Been a great year in sports, you know their motto:

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'

* denotes people or teams actually caught cheating

jackchips_2

10 and 0

certainly brings out the best (?) in people.

As for the Bills, they had won four in a row and were at home.

It must be hard for people who live in a negative vacuum to give credit. Heck, I even root for the Yankees now and then-sign A-rod and get off of Jeter's back.

No gloating by Ruthe or us New England fans, most of us have learned the hard way to accept the loses and cheer the victories.

Congratulations to the Houston Dynamo fans.

:-))

Jack

Supply House Rick

There's right and there's wrong

They cheated and are tainted, they were caught and they were fined, even lost a draft pick. Black and white, they are cheaters and who knows for how long. Put an asterisk on their trophy's. If that's living in a negative vacuum so be it.

I will give credit, Randy Moss has the best hands maybe in the history of the game.

Teach your children to play the game right, not the Belichick way and they will be able to sleep at night.

***Patriots are cheaters and that's part of their legacy, you will be able to read about it 100 years from now, just like Bonds.

*** denotes team caught cheating

ScottMP

Hey Rick

Just a question ... Why does every coach in the NFL put a piece of paper in front of thier mouth when talking in the radio ??? It becaue Every Team is watching. Belicheck got caught, he payed the fine. Every team cross's that line, doesn't make it right, But don't try and take away the talent that is on the field and off becasue they got caught watching the other team. Most scouts are cheating.

Remember also that the tape that was filmed would'nt help in that game, it would help the next time they prepared to play the Jets later in the season.

Yes it was cheating and yes they payed for it. Dosn't mean they are not the best team out thier with the best players. Saying anything else is just being a poor sport.

Scott

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Supply House Rick

It just seems like

Sports is way out of whack. Steroids, HGH, inflated stats, Bonds, Marion Jones, Big Mac, Sosa, Patriots. Is everybody freaking cheating? What stats can you believe anymore?

"Play Fair" is a term from the past. Is the way to succeed and get paid big bucks to cheat! Yes, this will stick to the Patriots and Belichick no matter what is said here about being a poor sport. Sorry Chowds.

Definition of Sportsmanship: Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.

See fair play, doesn't fit with the Pats does it?

Norm Harvey

It's my opinion that what the Patriots got caught doing should not be illegal in the first place.

I'd like to see the asterisks on the grave stones of nearly all of the great men and women in history where they did something against some rule, somewhere.

Hell, some are even praised for it.

Ruthe Jubinville_2

What about the team that complained

They were the ones caught in a cheating episode the next time. If you never did anything wrong go ahead and cast your stone. Hope you do not live in a glass house.

Supply House Rick

Here it is

Did they really need to cheat to beat the Jets? To quote Pecos Pete, "that's lower than a snakes belly in a wagon wheel rut" and that's your ***Patriots

At least Moss hasn't tried to run over a Meter Maid like in Minnesota...

***denotes teams caught & punished for cheating

jackchips_2

Here you go Rick:

*******************************************************

Oh yeah, just in case you run out: ********************

:-))

Jack

Ruthe Jubinville_2

How come

no stars in front of the ***Jets????

Supply House Rick

Because

This is way more fun. Who cares about the Jets? Not even the player's moms. ***Patriot fans especially this season are way easier to get going. They cheated and John Wooden is ashamed of them.

***denotes teams who got caught cheating and should have to live with Barroid Bonds in a one bedroom apt. The only difference between Pats and Pete Rose is the haircut.

EJW_3

Pete Rose

Should be in the Hall of Fame.


EJW

Timco

Wanna bet???

Jed_2

How can you bet

on a "shoulda". How would that bet be structured? "I bet you he shoulda". "No, I bet you he shouldnota". "How much"? "The Brooklyn Bridge". "I'll take it"!

Jed

Timco

He was banned for betting...remember??? It was a joke. I agree he was a great player and do think he should be credited for his talents. As for the Pats thing, I would like the Raiders to use satellites if that's what it takes to win a few!!!

Tim

Jed_2

Wanna bet? NM

Timco

I don't get it...NM?

Tim

Supply House Rick

NM

Is slang for *Patriots cheat and Belichick helped break up a marriage by cheating with a married (see a pattern here?) She was an employee of the Giants, i.e. buying her a house, trips & cash. I thought everybody knew what NM stood for...

* denotes teams with a head coach who commit adultery and also film defensive signals

joel_19

rick

Do you know why the Jets accused the Pats of that?? They new the Pats where doing it because they where doing it too!!!!!! the league was just sending amessage that they where not going to tolerate it any more.

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Kevin A Gerrity_2

PATS

Welcome to the dark side. They cheat, they'll go undefeated, and they will beat every NFL team by 20+points. Hmmmmm, I'll take it. Here's something for you to think about, it may be 5 years before another team even sniffs a win in the Super Bowl. Can you say "GREATEST OF ALL TIME". Bill needs to run it up even higher.

So Rick what are going to watch on Sundays now that you realized that your team won't even bother to show up for the next, well it's your team let's say 10 years.

There goes another saying "Cheaters never win". Deal with the Dynasty!

Supply House Rick

Greatest of all time?

Better check with the great 49er's & Steeler's teams and see if they cheated their way into the record books. The difference is Montana & Bill Walsh, Bradshaw & Chuck Noll devised a plan to exploit your weaknesses. ***Patriots knew the defensive signals and called audibles to your hero ***Tom Brady so he could change the play. Your golden boy is a cheat just like ***Bonds, just like your home wrecking coach ***Belicheck and your ***Patriot team. Live with it, their legacy is tainted.

***denotes players and or coaches who cheat and or committed adultery and or will be remembered by this forever.

Unknown

Wow !

And here I thought I was the one who hates Belichick the most . You rock , Rick .

Ruthe Jubinville_2

Sorry

I really am sorry I started this thread. I didn't know it would really bring out all the bad and viscious taunting. Drop it and find something better to do with your time. Ruthe

Supply House Rick

Thanks Ron Jr

Ruthe,
Just having a little fun that's all. Did I mention Belichick is a cheater?

John Starcher_4

I don't know if they were the first,

....but they definitely did use them. As did many other teams at the time. Steroids were not illegal at the time, though.

The Mike Webster story is tragic.

ScottMP

Its O.K. ****Rick

I know it’s tough to watch Greatness and not be involved.

Don't worry ****Rick at some point you'll have a team that you can root for and have some fun.

Scott

**** Denotes sore loser and fan that has experienced years of sports teams that are not competitive. Usually finds faults with winning teams.


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Timco

Yes Rick, we all know how you feel about the Pats. Do folks still have the right to pull for them? Last time I checked they do. And who are you??? You passed a little razzing a long time ago and made this a personal attack that has hurt people. Give it a rest, and make a large body-sign that reads the world is comming to an end on one side and on the other you can write all the Pats propaganda you want to. You would reach many more people that way. I dare you to wear that around NE...

Tim***

***Denotes a fan who has taken everyone's crap about his loosing team for years and still stuck with them regardless of what anyone thinks about his teams owner.

Supply House Rick

I am a Patriots fan!

Just don't like that they cheat, Bring back Steve Grogan, Russ Francis & Tony Eason.

Timco, what was the personal attack a while back?

***Rick

*** denotes person who is unsure of a personal attack and think Patriots cheat

Timco

I guess it did seem like a personal attack, but if the originator of the post feels like it should never have been written you may be laying it on a bit thick...as I did in my last post. I guess the point is we all know your opinion of the 'actions' of the Pats & Bill B...This is knid'a why I don't talk politics much...

Tim

Supply House Rick

I apologize

Sports debates are always the best because it invokes true passion. My territory covers New England and New York, Yankees & Red Sox make a far more interesting conversation with New Englanders. The Pats are an easy target right now because of their dominance. No sour grapes, I don't live and die on any team losses. Once it's over it's over. I anxiously await Spring Training.

A lifelong Sox fan in Boston said they would trade all the Super Bowls to keep winning World Series. Is that true?

Rick

jackchips_2

No

it is not true, Rick.

Does anyone think we'd trade our Stanley Cups for another Celtics championship?

A true Boston fan lives, breathes, suffers and cheers for all our teams although BB has been sullied since they have allowed so many infractions.

Happy thanksgiving to all sports fans.

Jack