Looking for a Gorton distributor in Michigan

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the returns might join together above the boiler's waterline. If so, that's what's messing up the south loop and the tail- it's getting air from two directions.

If this is the case, drop all the returns below the waterline before teeing them together. Then, properly vent each main and the tail too- I think you could have the tail vent take care of the whole south main- and it should work fine.

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Steve Ebels_3

Gorton distributor in Michigan

I'm looking for a distributor in Michigan that handles Gorton steam vents. Specifically, I need #2'a and 6's. Anyone out there??

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Steve, you can get them

from State Supply online, www.statesupply.com . Not sure if a supply house up your way has them, but Ken Kunz at Gorton could tell you- 908-276-1323.

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Jack P.

Steve, checkout this link: http://www.pexsupply.com/Categories.asp?cID=302&brandid=
I've bought from there several times with good results. I'm in Bay City, Michigan

Steve Ebels_3

Thanks guys

I looked a steam system that has some messed up piping last week but I think better venting will help it out some.

I'll do my best to describe it and post some pics which will hopefully give some clues as to what I'm talking about.

Coming off the riser, the piping splits and forms two loops which serve the north and south half of this two story home. The issue the homeowner is having relates to three rooms on the south loop. The north loop heats adequately but the last three rads on the South loop take forever to heat even with the vents removed from the rads.

The north loop is laid out as you would expect to see, making an uninterrupted circuit from the boiler back to the Hartford loop. The South loop however has a "tail" which t's off as the loop makes its way back to the boiler. (All the rads are single pipe BTW.) The "tail" does have a Dole vent in the main, which is reduced to 1 1/2" by that point. Two of the rads that don't heat are on the second floor and all three are on the "tail" section. I did find what I think will prove to be a main vent location that was plugged off on the riser going to one of the second floor rads.

I'm thinking that a couple Gortons would help get the air out of this "tail" and help those three orphaned rads to heat at least a little better. The only other option I can see, at least if I'm barking up the right tree here, would be to install an equalizer loop of some kind from the tail all the way back to the Hartford loop.

Pics 739 and 740 show the near boiler piping

Pic 741 shows the risers for the last two rads that heat OK on the South loop. The line going back across the picture to the left hits the return going back to the boiler.

742 shows the line from 741 T'd into the return. The three rads that don't heat are on the line you can see going through the back wall.

743 shows the vent currently on the poorly functioning section on the other side of the wall shown in 742.

744 is sideways but shows the "tail" looking back toward the tee in 742.

745...ignore

746 is also looking at the tail from the view you would have standing by the last radiator riser looking back toward the boiler and the Tee shown in 742

Steve Ebels_3

Hmmm

I can't say that I noticed that when I was there but I may go back and check it out again. I can see where you would say that looking at the picture (740?)

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That one and 742

though one would really have to be there to make sure.

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Steve Ebels_3

Picture 742 is the bottleneck.....I think

The steam is coming into the bull of the tee as shown in the picture. The back of the run is the "tail" with the 3 non heating rads on it and the other side of the run is the return headed back to the boiler. It would be the center pipe shown in picture 740.

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Where is the vent on that main

in relation to pic 742? I know there's a vent on the tail.....

Do any other return lines connect to the return from the tee in 742 before it drops below the waterline?

Are there any more rads connected to the return from the tee in 742 before it gets back to the boiler?

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Steve Ebels_3

Might be on to something there

The only vents on the south loop are on the tail

Unknown

Just an added thought

Steve, check how much radiation is on the loop with the tail. I suspect that the one-pipe tail might have been added after the mains were already sized for the two-pipe system. The size of that steam main might be marginal.

Just a hunch, it would be nice to rule it out.

Noel

Steve Ebels_3

It appears

The "tail" is likely an addition to the original piping. The owner mentioned that the back part of the house was attached to the main building at an unknown date many moons ago. The two rads that I saw were smallish in size, maybe 6 column IIRC. One is in the kitchen and the other is on the second floor directly above.