Should I buy Baxi Luna or Viessmann Vitodens ?

Nron_13

look at the type of system your doing , if you are using it for baseboard aplication look at baxi its a non condensing boiler if your doing radiant floors viessmann is the way to go viessmann has a max temp of 167F for heating and may not fit well with an older baseboard system

Fred in Maine

Am switching oil fed boiler/heater to propane gas and can't decide between Baxi Luna or Viessman. Help me decide based on something other than cost. I know Viessmann is more expensive, but is it worth the extra money or not ? Also, which is less corrosive for beach front property ?

Al Letellier_9

which boiler

Fred., I live and work in So.Maine and think either boiler will do the job, but from my experience, Viessmann cleans house in the area of quality and efficiency. Their products, all of them, are amoungst the best in the business and have excellent warranties. Just make sure you use a contractor that is experienced with the unit or has had factory training on the unit you install. Viessmann has some of the best training and support available for imported products and that the boiler I would chose for my home if given the choices you described.

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ALH_4

I have no direct experience with the Luna, but the Vitodens 200 is an excellent boiler. What type of system is this? Propane will probably still cost more, even with the added efficiency of a condensing boiler. Why not install a new oil boiler?

I am in Montana, so I do not have direct experience with beach front property, but from what I have heard there can be issues with condensing boilers that are very near the shore line. That might be another reason to stick with a non-condensing oil boiler.

I love mod/cons as much as the next guy, but given that propane will very likely cost more to operate than oil and the risk of chlorides destroying a condensing boiler heat exchanger, I would lean toward sticking with oil. How about a Viessmann Vitola or Vitorond?

Ken_40

Having worked on more than a few,

I'd stay clear of the Viessmann and take a look at the Munchkin.

Best bang for the buck around IMO.

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Paul Pollets

Having worked on hundreds...

...there is no comparison between the Baxi and the Vitodens 200. The unit's construction of 316Ti stainless, "smart" integral pump, integrated control and Matrix burner make it the superior choice, if budget allows.

Finding a qualified contractor is the most important part.

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joel_19

Munchkin

I Love Munchkins they taste delicious......
Seriously though pick the best contractor,and i would question why you want to switch to Propane???? It won't save you any fuel $$$$$

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tim smith

Re: Viessmann

Just my .02 worth, If you are going Vitodens, make sure to go with the 200 not the 100 series. I think they dumbed down the boiler too much in the 100 series to where there are better choices if looking at the 100. I would defer to Paul's opinion on the Vitodens selection over mine although as he know's them better. Tim

Constantin

Between those two, I'd go with the Vitodens

Given the corrosive nature of the air near the sea, the titanium in the heat exchanger should increase the Vitodens' longevity. The control system and matrix burner is excellent on the 200 series. I was involved with a project in Maine that had a Vitodens installed, and the owner raves about the gas savings (in excess of 40%) vs. the cast iron boilers it replaced. Some of that savings is due to the mis-piping, mis-sizing, and bad control of said boilers, however.

Which brings me to the important point several installers here have raised: The most important question though is the quality of your installer. To get the most out of any boiler, the installer has to do a bang-up job installing the thing. Even the best boiler can be check-mated by a bad install.

The cast-iron system referenced above was installed relatively well to the specifications given... specifications, which had been made by a supply house employee that obviously had no clue about controls, piping, or boiler sizing. Other issues, such as bad system water, air bound zones, etc. were a sign of an inexperienced installer. All this was remedied in the subsequent boiler retrofit (lots of cleaning via Rhomar, great near-boiler piping install via Tom Brewer, great diagram via NRT).

Where the old boilers would lock up once a year due to the flame sensors going bad, the Viessmann is purring along without issues. Presumably, the once-a-year cleaning/maintenance program has something to do with it. So far, the owner is looking at a 4-year payback, which is pretty good.

BK_4

viessmann.

I have looked at both and the Vitodens 200, if you are keeping your home is the investment to make. Vitodens is the only Mod/con with a lifetime heat exchanger warranty. The best you will get from the competition is 12 years prorated. That in itself speaks volumes.

Servicability is another issue people buying boilers fail to look at long term maintenance, this is on of viessmanns strong points they think of the service tech and make components that last and are easy to service saving labor over time. Labor=$ saved. Go for the best you will not be disappointed!!!

IMO

Constantin

I agree...

... the boiler has to fit the system... which is why you want a good installer in there that will make note of all the zones, their emitters, and the required water temperatures to keep the place happy. A room-by-room heat loss calculation is key to this part of the exercise.

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