Install pics

Steamhead (in transit)

that thread was also your system. Well, I know it will heat better with that vent!

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David Nadle

compact install

Here's a few pics of my install. I was the ultimate "engineer" to work for (not the cheap kind; the other kind) but the guys I chose were just great.

Check out the techique they used to compact the header by bringing one swing in on an angle. We saved a lot of space on the left that way.

Now I can't wait for the cold weather!

lee_7

looks nice, with exception of smurf cum all over pipes.

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David

not bad, and I understand your logic, not really right-angle increments, not to "nit-pick" but would a drop header have helped?
Nice job though!

Dave

Timco

What grade are you in? Nice comment...now back to class!

Dave_4

Probably.

I guess I'll call 'em back and have them start over... ;-)

Joey B_2

thats definitely a new term for blue block in my book haha.
what kind of boiler is that??

Unknown

Hey David,

please don`t be upset, you asked, and I answered! I really don`t see why this will not work, it`s just a different way of seeing things!

Dave

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Joey B

Where are you from? Except for some minor crap I see no prob with this install.

Dave

Joey B_2

I don't mean that there is anything wrong with the install. when I said what kind I meant the Manufacturer. Most of my experience is with weil mclain. And to answer your first question im from NY.

Unknown

OK Joey B,

are you new to HH?, there are many new things you will learn here and help broaden your manufacturers perspective on different products.

Dave

Steamhead (in transit)

It's a Utica

should be the PEG-112C from the looks of it. Here's what a drop header might look like on this type of boiler.

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Unknown

Frank knows,

glad you came-in, is this really that bad? His intentions seem OK to me.

Dave

bob young

two types of steamfitting

Slight difference. one picture perfect. the other----well it will work. expert steamfitting it is not. sad but true.

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Bob Young

Why?

Dave

Steamhead (in transit)

David, Dave and Bob, we've seen much worse

as others have said, it's not the world's neatest install but all the basics appear to be in place. There is certainly more than enough riser height between the boiler and the header. Wait and see how it performs before trying to get it changed.

Here's a shot of another, similar boiler where we had to limit the distance the header overshot the side of the boiler. We did basically the same thing to make it happen, but of course we did it as a drop header ;-)

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Joey B_2

fairly new to the wall, I've kept an eye on it since i went to one of Dan's "The Way They Were" seminars. I always found heating to be very interesting, steam in particular. I'm only a 4th yr plumbing apprentice so my experience with different systems and manufacturers is limited.

David Nadle

I was being facetious.

I guess the dryness of my humor doesn't come over on the internet... I'm perfectly satisfied with the install the way it's done.

A drop header might have been neater--had we thought of it--but this boiler is pretty small and the steam tappings are close to the front. The header might have to be a good bit forward of the boiler to give you enough room going back for 2 supply tees and an elbow down to the equalizer. I'd have to sketch it out but that could be kind of a drag when you go to service the front of the thing.

David Nadle

Bob Young -- can you elaborate?

Which is which, and why?

David Nadle

Your criticism is appreciated!

Steamhead, in your two pics, one demonstrates exactly the space demands we were trying to avoid on the left; the other shows nearly the same tactics as my install (minus the 45, plus the drop).

I posted my pictures here because I want to learn.
I'd like to hear specific techincal criticism if anyone has any. So far all I've learned is I should have taken the pics after the pipes were cleaned up.

Unknown

Good for you Joey B

and don`t let anyone discourage you we all had to start somewhere, and no better place to learn than here!
if your interested in steam, pay particular attention to "Steamhead", (Frank Wilsey), HE KNOWS!

Dave

Steamhead (in transit)

David, one thing that isn't in the pics

is the steam main vents. Were these changed or upgraded?

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David Nadle

There was never a main vent...

until we added one yesterday. If you recall my earlier thread, my mains are in a loop: the two mains you see meet at the opposite corner. That's where we put the vent.

When we test fired the boiler the vent was working well. Also added two Danfoss TRVs in the upstairs bedrooms. Cool stuff.

"Unfortunately" the forecast here is for 60-80 degree temps all week. But I will update on the system performance once it gets colder.

Steamhead (in transit)

To do a drop header

you really only need to add two street elbows as shown in the pics. Of course if the risers go way above the actual header you'd need regular 90s and appropriate length nipples to make the drop. Either way, it's easier to put together than a standard header, and takes up more expansion.

But all the basics are there on your boiler, so let's see how well it works.

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bob young

headers

A steam header & associated piping should be functional as per specifications but also be straight & plumb and pleasing to the eye with square breaks. diagonal piping with hinged swing breaks is a wonderful thing but in my opinion would be more relevent to piping obscured inside walls etc. the header piping is the showcase, part of the boiler . that is where you want to display your finest craftsmenship. this is strictly one mans opinion. on the other hand, some mechanics could care less what it looks like as long as it works. i have a lufkin folding ruler & level in my pocket at all times.

David Nadle

I guess it's a matter of taste

because I think the 45 looks kind of nice. In the installers' defense, I was with them most of the time and they took great care to make things square and level. It looks pretty good in person. Maybe my photography is lacking.

Maybe a drop header would look nicer but as Voltaire said, "the perfect is the enemy of the good."