The Vaillant people were snooping around (hr)

hot_rod

I tried their website, but it is not real English friendly. Anything in the 2-3 ton range?

hot rod

hr

the REX show

talking to contractors about re-entering the U.S.market.

Check out some of their cool stuff.

A nice looking oil fired condensor. The use the new Laing ECM circs on many of their boilers. The Laing ECM circ may be here this fall, I'm told.

They have a one piece mod con/ solar tank/ load shifting appliance. Nicely packaged in an appliance looking jacket.

Geo Thermal heat pumps, pellet boilers, loas shift storage vessels were all shown in their catalog.

Apparantly they are also close to releasing a solar powered air conditioner, powered by evac tubes.

Joe from Oventrop claims solar ac is very close in their line also.

I Googled solar powered AC to find info on units already being used in China and Japan.

The grey beards among us may remember Vaillant had a line of cast iron boilers and some wall hung instantanous they sold here in the early 90's.

Even though they pulled back they did maintain a warranty presence in N.J. They still do in fact. Thumbs up for that.

hot rod

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Bryan_16

anchors

I have a pile of there cast iron oil boilers that I think would hold a battleship to the bottom. Never like the counterflow design, nor the cleaning process. JMO. Bryan

Tom Hopkins

Based

on previous experience,No Thanks!

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heatboy

Only limited experience........

......... with Vaillant. They offered an oil fired three pass that was............... uh, horrible. It took forever to service properly and didn't run well with anything except a Riello.

When you showed me the catalog at REX, I must say I was very impressed with the the comprehensive approach to their line. Selling quality, high efficiency gas/oil boilers, ground source and solar from the same company would be way cool.



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joel_19

ouch

I did a few HE 100's with becket still babysit them very finicky. they bailed on us. That's gonna be a tuff hill for them to sled.I liked some of the stuff I saw at ISH from them but they are going to have a tuff time everyone will remember what they did.

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Tombig_2

Solar AC

What a concept! Harkens me back to when I was a youngster working on residential Arkla and Bryant gas fired absorbers. I had some fun dropping spiders in their tracks with the ammonia gas. Drop you in your tracks too if your not careful. Adds new meaning to the term "take your breath away". With the high temps you get out of those collectors it certainly seems feasable.

Never worked on a Vaillant boiler and sounds like I don't want to.

Darin Cook_5

A nice Vaillant feature

There were no screws in the jacket on their oil boiler. The boiler was casted in such a manner that the jacket pieces "slipped on".






Darin

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Rich Kontny_5

Was that the Australian Company?

Valliant was originly from Australia was'nt it? I have run across only about two here in Wisconsin. Did zone add-ons if I remember currectly.Never had the pleasure of servicing the combustion side.

HR, I resemble that remark about gray beard!


Rich K.

Make Peace our Passion!

DanHolohan

Europe

Valliant is second only to Bosch. Their 2006 sales were 2 billion Euros.

Tony_23

As for me

I never minded servicing the boilers I inherited from installers who didn't understand their needs. The parts issue was the only problem I had. Once I had them running properly, I had gained some VERY loyal customers

Ted_5

Solar cooling is here

We rep Broad A/C and they have smaller units starting at 4.5 tons. Can use solar with them. Their BCT units are a complete package unit. They use Wilo pumps and Riello burners for when the solar isn't there. On their larger units they use a Weishaupt burner. We are looking into using a vegitable oil burner from INOV8 also.

Ted

John Abbott

Vaillant

I put in a few oil fired in the 90's I could use some parts does anyone know a source?

John

Ken_40

Is that Bosch in general,

or Bosch the boiler making division(s) only?

When we get into international congolmerates like G.E., Bosch, Philips, Buderus, etc. Some have large divisions of boiler making compared to their corporate profile; while others have small divisions making boilers or as with Bosch, simply acting as a holding company that makes nothing, just provides corporate governance and brand recognition.

Would you know Bosch's boiler division units sold or gross revenue numbers for boilers only? Likelwise, would you know Valliant's boiler unit sold or gross revenue numbers - just for boilers?

I doubt either one is doing any where near 2B-Euros in boilers alone. That would be 3B Yank!

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hot_rod

Vaillant at 856-786-2000

they handle parts and warranty work out of this NJ office.

hot rod

DanHolohan

In 2006,

the total Euro boiler market was 13 billion Euro. Of this, Bosh was the largest, selling 2.8 billion Euro.

The U.K. is now the largest boiler market in Europe. Condensing boilers, both oil and gas, are mandatory as replacements.

Ken_40

I did see that,

Vaillant states they do about 2B gross. Of that, only 120M-Euros are from "appliances." Actual boilers sold appears to be ~ half a million units.

Bosch's boiler sales are so minimal compared to their auto and other products, I'm surprised they did 2.8B-Euros.

If both supositions are close, I am amazed Bosch is even that close. But then, if they sell only 3, billion dollar each boilers...(;-o)

This may shed more light: http://www.bsria.co.uk/press/?press=314

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mtfallsmikey

for the most part

I had very little trouble with the Vaillants I sold, and I did sell a bunch of them, still service 3 of them, leftover customers from when I was in the biz full time.They can be tough to set up and maintain, especially if draft is a problem.At the time, I think they were ahead of their time.

Paul Pollets

Except...

...that they placed the packaged circulator on the return, rather than the supply.

We've repiped the circulator on every boiler that we service or repair.

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mtfallsmikey

Just remember....

That was before "piping away" became popular...every manufacturer put the circ on the return pipe, or in a box attached to the crate.

Paul Pollets

But...

This boiler was designed and built in Germany. They practiced "piping away" long before exporting the appliance.

Somehow, they must have thought we wouldn't notice the difference. Designed as an "entry level" boiler, perhaps the price point reflected the pump location??

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mtfallsmikey

Yes, I do

Understand that "pumping away" was practiced in Europe before it was here, but Jaguar didn't export right-hand drive cars to the U.S. eiether, did they? The circ was set up on the return for the U.S. market, as was every other packaged boiler. They were cheaper than any other boiler on the market at the time, as I remember, as we used Burnham since they took over A/S hydronics, with some Peerless and Weil-McLain as well,although they were more difficult to clean and maintain back in those days. The swing-open burner / combustion chamber door soon became standard on all of the U.S. made boilers.

ScottMP

Dosn't Bosch

own Buderus ??

Scott

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Noel

Yes, they do Scott

I was told that they do in their building, by their employees.

Noel

John Abbott

A belated Thank you...........

hot rod I appreciate the help.

John

Dave_4

Paul

I have a Vaillant boiler from the 90's. Been splitting up the zones in the house and made new supply and return manifolds. I want to put my circ on the supply side. Can i just go from Vaillants flange fitting on the return side to my return pipe with a matching flange attached to it.. of course with a gasket, etc???

Many thanks

bovide_4

valliant

the founders were handsome jimmy, gentleman jerry, and one more: get the reference?