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hr Member Posts: 6,106
I've heard it uses about 18" per tie of the special wire. I tried a demo once, but the tool rental shop I got it from no longer has the unit due to repair costs.

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  • Simply Rad_2
    Simply Rad_2 Member Posts: 171
    Quite the surpirse

    This spring is came across the Quip Clip product while paging through a trade magazine. I tore out the article and it stayed on my desk for 5 months. Finally I tracked down the local rep for the product and ordered a box. The rep said he had only sold a box over the last year or so.....something about the product cost alot more than wire ties. Well these little Quips make life easy, and save lots of time. I would recommend trying them on your next slab. Happy Holidays!

    Jeffrey
  • Simply Rad_2
    Simply Rad_2 Member Posts: 171
    Quite the surpirse

    This spring is came across the Quip Clip product while paging through a trade magazine. I tore out the article and it stayed on my desk for 5 months. Finally I tracked down the local rep for the product and ordered a box. The rep said he had only sold a box over the last year or so.....something about the product cost alot more than wire ties(Over the entire job these cost pennys more). Well these little Quips make life easy, and save lots of time. You do not have to worry about long wire tie tail sticking out of the slab either. I would recommend trying them on your next slab. Happy Holidays!

    http://www.spaceageinsulation.com/products/quip/information.html

    Jeffrey
  • hr
    hr Member Posts: 6,106
    That's from the InsulTarp folks

    isn't it?

    Have you seen the Mangone tie tool. I have a demo to try out next week. I'm all about not bending over to tie tube.

    I have 3 Watts ClipTie tools also. I've learned to get along with them.

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  • Tom Hopkins
    Tom Hopkins Member Posts: 552
    Clips

    I just picked up a sample pak of those guys from my regular supplier. I saw them sitting on the counter and snagged them (with permission of course). I really don't see much labor savings over Uponor fixing wire and the "Yankee screwdriver" tightener. The bending over is starting to get to me though. Thank God the knees are still in decent shape after almost 30yrs in the trades.

    This recent one nearly killed me. Two 3000sf commercial spaces with metal deck and no mesh. We went thru about 2500 1/2" EMT clips and zip screws. All in 90+ temps and 80+ RH. At least it was out of the sun.

    We stayed 24" away from the columns and perimeter so the stores moving in could anchor displays without worrying about puncture. The floor is getting some kind of granite looking stain process later that I'm kind of excited to check out.

    Pic 2311 is the concrete pumped in. We tubed the upper mezzanine deck also. Pretty straightforward. Two stage heat for the store space with forced air and single stage heat for the mezzanine offices. Of course I would have done the control differently if I was the AC contractor as well...
  • Simply Rad_2
    Simply Rad_2 Member Posts: 171
    Clogs

    HR
    I was told that thats a great idea buty clogs often? Still probably need to bend over when installing the bends.
    The Quips are fairly fast and easy. I have been tieing tube for a long time but new guys are slow to use the tie metal ties. The Quips are simply. Get some and see what you think.

    Jeffrey
  • Glenn Sossin_2
    Glenn Sossin_2 Member Posts: 592
    Sell with almost every slab install

    I've had nothing but positive feedback from the contractors I've sold it to. They say it cuts down significantly on labor and makes for a much nicer looking installation.

    The main problem I see is that you have to install the clip on a piece of the wire parallel with the pex. All the roadway wire I've come across is 12" ctrs, so if you want to lay some pex at tighter centers you can't use the quip. When you lay down another piece that overlaps the first one, you have also have a problem - the wire ties have to come out or some other fastening method.

    I've sent them pictures and asked them to design the same clip but a 90 degree angle. This way you could slide them left to right and either change your centers, or accomodate an overlap of wire.

    OIverall, I think its a great product.
  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    not that this is much easier...buh

    there are some cool zip ties with a screw holder that you can spin down on to the deck and zip tie the pex to the pan decking....
  • Tom Hopkins
    Tom Hopkins Member Posts: 552
    Zip ties

    Weezbo, those zip ties with the screw hole make for some real clean low volt wiring jobs. I use them a lot.
  • hr
    hr Member Posts: 6,106
    I use the metal bar ties also

    but I don't use the twister tool. I just give them a double twist like a bread bag tie. Much much quicker than looping the tool into the holes. Especially for beginners.

    I had a steelworker help me on a tube install job once. He installed and tied rebar on bridges and dams for a living. He had a spool of wire on a dispenser on his belt, and a pair of side cutters. Talk about a fast tier downer :)

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  • Don \"Grumpy\" Walsh
    Don \"Grumpy\" Walsh Member Posts: 184
    Have you tried this?

    I have been using this tool for about 6 months, and find it to be a real time saver. You can get it with an extension handle for "stand-up" operation. Saves a lot of time, but the tool is VERY pricey unless you have a lot of tieing to be done.




    http://wis.max-ltd.co.jp/int/muc/pshow.php?productcode=RB90155
  • Don \"Grumpy\" Walsh
    Don \"Grumpy\" Walsh Member Posts: 184
    Wire costs

    The wire comes in 300 foot roles, 50 rolls to the case for around $190. a case, or $3.80 a roll. I find the time savings to be really favorable compared to most other tie-down methods. We can place on average 1000' of pex an hour (two man crew)Used 9 rolls of wire for the last 5000' install, tieing every 30 inches of tubing.
  • Rob Blair
    Rob Blair Member Posts: 227
    Tell us all how the demo works out

    I have seen that and thought it looked cool, although I thought the same as Glenn about the spacing other than 12" OC. Especially when you run into jobs where the engineer specs 200 foot loops of 3/4" at 8" oc. He says he wants to keep the head pressures down and reduce the size of the pump to also decrease electric consumption.

    Rob
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