Fastening down Climate Panel or Quick track ??

Paul Pollets

Scott, we use a 1/4" crown staple x 11/4" with 14-16 staples in each panel. Never had a problem, and the pnuematic stapler works well!


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ScottMP

We're trying to move

to the next level of putting down climate panel. I've been told that staples with a 1" or 1/2" crown is the way to go. A Lumber Yard owner told me he thought ring nailers would be better and stronger and cheaper.

We are thinking two screws in each panle and then go back with a pnumatic gun.

What do you guys use and what has'nt worked in the past.

Thanks

Scott

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Josh_10

I don't know Scott. We have had a few clients that we did designs for in the past that used a combo of nails and screws that had bad luck. I would get yourself a good screw gun with a auto-feed and go to town. Usually you get the screw gun free if you buy the screws.

ScottMP

Paul

I was concerned that the 1/4" were to small and would pull thru the plywood ?? You've had No Problems with that ??

I belive the ones I saw where 7/16 ?? Does that sound correct ??

Thanks so much, I know oyu do alot of this so it means alot.

Scott

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heatboy

7/16 \" is what.........

....I use on top or under the floor, Scott. Hitachi N5008AC Medium Crown Stapler. Staples up to 2" in length, if so desired.

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ScottMP

So thats from two of the best

I feel better making the purchase now.

Thanks Guys.

Scott

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ALH_4

Also

The 7/16" Hitachi N5008AC HB mentioned will also work to install Thermofin/Joist Track with 5/8" leg staples. The Hitachi staplers hold up well.

Dave_4

Installation to the next level!

Scott,

I can’t answer your specific question on the type of staples for a climate panel system, but there is an installation tool available to take your installations to the next level in regards to installing the tubing. The tool found at www.primedesignplus.com might make some sense.

PDP

Contractor_2

Real Tough

Those are not easy to use at all, plus arent as good on turnaround pieces. Good ol rubber mallet and kneepads here.

While we're on the subject what do you guys do to install the tubing other than making you rforearm look like popeyes using a mallet??

ALH_4

Danair

Have you tried a Danair Palm Hammer? I recommend the medium or hard tip and some good ear plugs. I also recommend regular oiling and buying a couple rebuild kits to have on hand.

Ray Landry_3

The size slips me right now, but we too use crown staples with a hitachi pneumatic gun for fastening climate panel. Also have an auto drive screw gun, the staples are so much faster!!! If you turn your compressor up all the way to 125psi and turn the cut in to a tight number you can get away with using the staples on a joist track job too.

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Contractor_2

Palm Hammer

Andrew,

I have used them before but for in bw the floor joists. and i used a softer tip. i would think the harder tip would dent the 5/16 tubing if you dont hit it perfectly. i completely agree with the oil. whats a rebuild kit?? i looked at the website real quick and didnt see it. i think i need to order one, i just borrowed a buddies for one job. Thanks for the info!

kevin coppinger_4

I use 8d ring....

shanks and they don't move...kpc

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ALH_4

Tips & Kits

I always figured the tube returns to its original shape once the system is running for a while. The medium tip seems to work best with least denting of the tube. Softer tips tend to wear out quickly.

The rebuild kit gives you new o-rings. Rebuilding seems to work a few times, then the hammer itself seems to be worn out. They easily pay for themselves when installing tube in Thermofin. Off the top of my head, one hammer might have a life of approximately 40,000 to 50,000 feet of tube before rebuilding doesn't help anymore? Anyone else have an estimate?

Tim Doran_4

HB Spot on

I agree with HB. We use a Hitachi medium crown stapler for QT and joist plates. I use an 1.25" staple, usually a dozen to a panel or so. Check out the Groove Tool. I just did a 4700 sqft job with one. It saved us a bunch of time but does require a bit of horse power. I had a helper at each end of the room to tap the tube into the returns wich made it very fast.

Tim D.

Ted_9

Screw

Well, I may be out of date but we rock and roll using a Senco screw gun using the 1 3/4 flooring screws with the square bit. We use the
senco that extends so it saves our backs.

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Dirty Hands Dale_3

stapler/palm nailer

Andrew Hagen hands down has the best set up.

Senco makes a palm nailer as well, both absolutly need the correct pnematic oil, and will need o-ring kits eventually.

They also must be used at the correct recomended pressures.

These tools will speed up your tubing installs at least twice as fast as a mallet.

The staple i prefer is the 7/16ths, just don't shoot them too close to the edge of panels, it will splinter the plywood.

Also a pnematic caulking gun is a great investment, a must have tool.

ScottMP

I knew I forgot

something Dale !!!

I'll get that tomorrow.

Thanks for the input.

Scott

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hr

The palm nailers will ding PAP

if you don't hit the tube nice and flat.

They are a great tool to own.

Ear protection and gloves that absorb shock are a must.

hot rod

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Dave Larsen_6

pap

You must be using the palm nailer for putting tubing in aluminum plates....... never seen a 5/16th pap

J.Prisby

Tools and Tips

I have been involved with and seen a lot of Climate Panel and Quik Trak installations, but the palm nailer is new to me.

My list of tools and tips for the smoothest installation of the above mentioned products are:
Having a layout (this is a game plan for everyone involved in the install), A mobile work bench with 12" miter box with new or sharp carbide blade(s), using the 6 pack panels(a must), A standup screwgun (corded - I haven't seen a cordless one that keeps up), A pneumatic stapler with a quick-release nose piece (refer to stapler manufacturer for the proper stapler for the application) many of them have stated that it is a stapler that uses 16 gauge staples (medium crown) 7/16" or 1/2" width (depending on manufacturer -Senco, Pasload, Porter Cable, etc..)with a min. of 1-1/4" legs, an air compressor capable in keeping up with the stapler, a pneumatic caulk gun (as mentioned earlier), and that Groove Tool that was mention by Tim D. and PDP, I have used it on several projects and it keeps you or who-ever is installing the tubing off their knees.

J Prisby

J.Prisby

Tools and Tips

I have been involved with and seen a lot of Climate Panel and Quik Trak installations, but the palm nailer is new to me.

My list of tools and tips for the smoothest installation of the above mentioned products are:
Having a layout (this is a game plan for everyone involved in the install), A mobile work bench with 12" miter box with new or sharp carbide blade(s), using the 6 pack panels(a must), A standup screwgun (corded - I haven't seen a cordless one that keeps up), A pneumatic stapler with a quick-release nose piece (refer to stapler manufacturer for the proper stapler for the application) many of them have stated that it is a stapler that uses 16 gauge staples (medium crown) 7/16" or 1/2" width (depending on manufacturer -Senco, Pasload, Porter Cable, etc..)with a min. of 1-1/4" legs, an air compressor capable in keeping up with the stapler, a pneumatic caulk gun (as mentioned earlier), and that Groove Tool that was mention by Tim D. and PDP. I have used it on several projects and it keeps you or whoever is installing the tubing off their knees.

J Prisby

J.Prisby

Tools and Tips

I have been involved with and seen a lot of Climate Panel and Quik Trak installations, but the palm nailer is new to me.

My list of tools and tips for the smoothest installation of the above mentioned products are:
Having a layout (this provides a game plan for everyone involved in the install), a mobile work bench with 12" miter box with new or sharp carbide blade(s), using the 6 pack panels(a must), a standup screw-gun (corded - I haven't seen a cordless one that keeps up), a pneumatic stapler with a quick-release nose piece (refer to stapler manufacturer for the proper stapler for the application) many of them have stated that it is a stapler that uses 16 gauge staples (medium crown) 7/16" or 1/2" width (depending on manufacturer -Senco, Pasload, Porter Cable, etc..) with a min. of 1-1/4" legs, you’ll need an air compressor capable in keeping up with the stapler, a pneumatic caulk gun (as mentioned earlier), a good uncoiler, and that Groove Tool that was mention by Tim D. and PDP. I have used it on several projects and it keeps you or whoever is installing the tubing off their knees.

J Prisby

Unknown

what a ?

What's a pap?

ScottMP

Thats

WHat you call your Old Man.

Or Pex/Aluminum/Pex .. some call it mulitcore.

Scott

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