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Dunkirk Empire II Water Boiler

Tom Hopkins
Tom Hopkins Member Posts: 552
3 pass with indirect is vastly superior to any pin type boiler. Instead of getting hung-up on the the initial investment consider the life-cycle cost.How much will it cost over the lifespan to have a less efficient setup?Many times the initial cost savings.Unless you're willing to bet fuel prices are headed down for the next 20 years,I would buy the most efficient unit I could afford.Buderus,Biasi,EK,Burnham MPO etc all provide excellent value without breaking the bank.

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  • Jim_64
    Jim_64 Member Posts: 253
    Any Feedback on Dunkirk Boiler

    As you all know, I've been looking to replace my old Weil Mclain 68 boiler. I just had a rep come in with the Dunkirk Empire II Water boiler at a really attractive price. Have any of you worked with this boiler? Does it have a decent track record? Am I better off going with the EK2000 or Burnham? Is it worth considering??

    Ron
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
    The Empire

    is not a bad unit, but is still a pin-type boiler with all the drawbacks of that type. I'd go with a 3-pass or other more-advanced design.

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  • bigron452
    bigron452 Member Posts: 18
    Why the big price difference?

    I know this is your standard boiler, but why is the price so much lower than say a Burnham 84? Am I missing something?
  • bigron452
    bigron452 Member Posts: 18
    Will it save fuel?

    Will this model same me some fuel? Currently, I'm heating with the coil, and have no DHW tank. If I couple this with a indirect tank .. and it's set up properly will I save fuel? Or is the Burnham v84 or EK 2000 more effiecent and reliable?
  • bigron452
    bigron452 Member Posts: 18
    Good to know

    Thanks for the input, I have been considering th EK2000 - it costs a little more but in the long run should be a better deal. But the cost difference was so suprising that I had to check. He says this the boiler has an 86% efficiency rating though...
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    dont look at the up front price. Look at the long term investment. A three pass boiler with an indirect and outdoor reset will give you substantial savings over a pin type boiler with a tankless no questions. It shouldnt be that much more for a three pass vs a pin type boiler. Look at the Biasi boiler by QHT its a three pass and comes with a reillo burner. It is very good in pricing also. Make sure your contractor does a proper heat loss calculation also that is very important.
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
    Only three Empire II models

    have that AFUE rating- the ones with the smallest nozzle size for the number of boiler sections.

    With the MPO, Biasi, Solaia and others, ALL the models in the series have 86-87% AFUE ratings.

    I assume you've had a heat-loss calculation done?

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  • Jim_64
    Jim_64 Member Posts: 253
    Heat Loss Analysis

    I believe so .. Contractor comes and looks at all the rooms, windows and doors? Takes measurements and tell me how many BTU's I need to warm the house? That's been done .. I'm now down to a 3 pass system or EK2000. the 3 pass will require more space ..I'm going to throw this out there too ... thanks again!
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
    I've only done 3-pass boilers

    so I can't speak to the System 2000 unit. But we have had plenty of recommendation on your threads for the System 2000 also. I'd say at this point, you can't go wrong either way, as long as the unit is chosen, installed and serviced properly.

    And at this point, I'd like to ask a favor: Compare the fuel usage of the new boiler with the old Weil, over the course of a year, on a gallons per degree-day basis. Post the results on the Wall next year. We'd love to see the difference!

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  • Jim_64
    Jim_64 Member Posts: 253
    Will do!

    Once I select a system (by the end of the week to be installed next week) I will update everyone on fuel usage. I'm leaning towards the EK2000 looks right for my needs. You all have been very helpful and I'd really like to say thanks for opening my eyes to the world of heating!!
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