How They Test Toilets (Steamhead)

Darin Cook_5

7 pounds of fruit salad???? You would have to have some severe stomach cramps to get that in the bowl!!!

Even the tidy bowl man at full throttle could not get out of that rip tide!!! The viper is COOL!!!







Darin

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Steamhead (in transit)

Found this video

demonstrating the flushing ability of the recently-introduced Gerber "Viper" toilet. After seeing a similar demonstration at an industry show, we tried one of these in our shop and found we couldn't stop it up either.

Besides its flushing power, the Viper has two other nice features: 1- it uses a regular 2-inch early-closing flapper that most of us have on our trucks, and 2- you can't buy it at home centers.

Note that in the first sequence, the material being flushed is not "the real thing" ;-)

Enjoy!

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Paul Fredricks_3

Impressive. And thanks for the warning about the first part.

[Deleted User]

Holy Crap Batman....

Now I can get rid of my garbage disposal!

Never liked that darned thing anyway. Always plugs up the kitchen sink :-)

So, Frank, got any other "plumbing" supplies on your trucks ??? Just curious ;-)

ME

jackchips_2

I hope

he answers your question ME and it's also nice to see that Frank has come out of the truck.

Never knew he was a plumber, too.

:-))

Jack

ScottMP

I like the comment

That the carrots is " Quite a Load "..

Nice choise of words

Scott

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Maine Doug_64

I imagine it

could be dangerous to be sitting on it and have it fire. One could be seriously rearranged if caught in the vacuum. But the sidewipers would be saved since they elevate the dangles....

DanHolohan

Seems to me

a center-wiper might lose his watch on this baby.

Steamhead (in transit)

Only

when we have something better to offer, JC, and almost always for existing heating customers. We've sold quite a few Vipers- one lady liked her first one so well she had us put a Viper in her other bathroom too. Another lady immediately noted that her new Viper was much quieter than her old Standard "Compton" (close-coupled washdown from the 1950s), and flushed better too. My brother-in-law's mom gets two Vipers this weekend in her brand new condo, replacing a couple piece-of----------junk (yeah, I know what you thought I was gonna say) Cranes, and my next-door neighbor's addition being built for her elderly mother will get a high Viper. We're doing both the heating and plumbing on that job.

We have a ToTo "Drake" in the other bathroom in the shop, which we haven't been able to stop up either, but the Drake costs about three times what the Viper does. Kudos to Gerber for bringing us such a good performer at a great price.

For those of us who were not impressed with Gerber's earlier "AquaSaver" and "Maxwell" toilets, it looks like they've been listening to us.

ME, we keep the usual faucet and toilet parts on our trucks so if the customer asks "Hey, while you're here...." we can say "Sure, no problem!".

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Steamhead (in transit)

I can see a market for the Viper

in hotels in certain countries that cater to visiting Americans who weren't told not to drink the water. ToTo might be the world's largest maker of sanitary fixtures, but Gerber could really give ToTo some serious competition here. The Viper handily outflushes the value-line ToTo unit (Carusoe, Dalton, Promenade) with the 2-inch flapper.

Be sure to keep both hands in view when you flush your Viper ;-)

Trivia question: Anyone know what "ToTo" stands for? Hint: nothing to do with the canine character in "The Wizard of Oz".

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Brad White_172

That sucker

could turn any rooster into a hen.

With my Susan's six year old ("one roll per wipe and get the plunger" is the routine), we might lose her entirely.

How much is it?

Steamhead (in transit)

Check your e-mail

for that.

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Brad White_172

They Call it \"The Viper\"

But does it do Vindows?

German Marketing types demand to know all operational features. Now.

[Deleted User]

Good for you...

> when we have something better to offer, JC, and

> almost always for existing heating customers.

> We've sold quite a few Vipers- one lady liked her

> first one so well she had us put a Viper in her

> other bathroom too. Another lady immediately

> noted that her new Viper was much quieter than

> her old Standard "Compton", and flushed better

> too. My brother-in-law's mom gets two Vipers this

> weekend in her brand new condo, replacing a

> couple piece-of----------junk (yeah, I know what

> you thought I was gonna say) Cranes, and my

> next-door neighbor's addition being built for her

> elderly mother will get a high Viper. We're doing

> both the heating and plumbing on that job.

>

> We

> have a ToTo "Drake" in the other bathroom in the

> shop, which we haven't been able to stop up

> either, but the Drake costs about three times

> what the Viper does. Kudos to Gerber for bringing

> us such a good performer at a great price.

>

> For

> those of us who were not impressed with Gerber's

> earlier "AquaSaver" and "Maxwell" toilets, it

> looks like they've been listening to us.

>

> ME,

> we keep the usual faucet and toilet parts on our

> trucks so if the customer asks "Hey, while you're

> here...." we can say "Sure, no problem!".

>

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Why leave money laying on the table?

ME

[Deleted User]

Good for you...

Why leave money laying on the table?

ME

Steamhead (in transit)

More info on testing toilets

see attached PDFs. Amazing what they found out.... look at all those under-performing fixtures that you see at the big box stores. Also check out how they determined that 250 grams of waste was the minimum acceptable quantity for a single 1.6-gallon flush.

With this info, you can choose the best-performing toilets available.

These are both pretty hefty downloads, and will take a while if you still use dial-up.

BTW, The Lovely Naoko says they wasted a perfectly good salad ;-)

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Uni R_3

No clue what ToTo stands for...

But they make a great toilet... must be that oriental porcelain they use... ;-)

ScottMP

Toyo Toki

Which I beive is "Oriental Porcelain"

The Drake is Three Times more expensive ?? Do they give the Viper away ??

Scott

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mtfallsmikey

Did not see

The A/S Champion listed in the test results. I'm going to get a Viper and try it in the master bath. Still use my 'ole modified A/S 1954 model Cadet in the other bath.

Steamhead (in transit)

Right

more accurately, Eastern Sea Pottery according to TLN.

Around here, that pricing ratio is correct.

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Steamhead (in transit)

The Champion

has had problems with its tower-style flush valve. Maybe that's why it wasn't on the list. The A/S Cadet 3 works well with its 3-inch flapper.

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Paul Fredricks_3

Short For "Tora, Tora"????

Oh, now I see the answer below.

ScottMP

You Missing

one Tora.

You been here four hour, you go now !!

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mtfallsmikey

Trivia for you, Steamster

Talking about the Champion flush tower....Mine sticks occasionally, but a silicone squirt keeps it working....remember the old A/S flush tower? Mansfield used the same basic design in their toilets as well, just had larger rubber seal at the bottom. Old A/S flush valve disks still available.

Larry (from OSHA)

personal experience

While I have not tried the 7 pound salad experiment, I do have both a Champion and a Toto Drake. The Champion works great, but has a very annoying clunk, and the Toto is flawless but not inexpensive.

My two cents worth.

Larry

Steamhead (in transit)

The A/S

was called the N3055, and used the trip lever with the rubber bumper on the end. The Mansfield was called the "Watersaver" since it was designed so you could abbreviate the flush, it went thru models 208, 209 and 210. I still see plenty of both brands.

Mansfield did a 1.6 version of the Watersaver flush valve, come to think of it. That's the model 211. And BTW, some waterworks associations are grumbling about the possibility that a HO might replace a 1.6 flapper with a standard flapper and jack the water consumption back up. Maybe a Viper with a Mansfield #211 flush valve? Have to try that.

Mansfield wimped out and used a flapper design for its 3-inch flush valves.

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Ken D._3

Hopper

A little more than I wanted to know.

Chris_82

I don't know if I could get past sitting on something named: "The Viper." Something wrong here?

A.J._3

Good to know

Maybe it is just me but I had a problem selling American Standard closets made in North America. The fruit seemed unbeleivable.

Steamhead (in transit)

So far

we haven't had one bite us, or our customers... just installed two more today.

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Steamhead (in transit)

When I saw that, I was thinking

naaaah, it won't flush THAT! I thought they would be imitating the old Ajax detergent commercial where they mentioned one type of stain it wouldn't wash out "but we're working on it". Yes, I really am that old :-O

But- there it is. Or more accurately, there it went.

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