New, more efficient oil burners

Josh_10

If you want an absolutly amzing burner google Weishaupt and check out their W series. I am not a rep or the manufacturer I am a contractor who thinks these burners need a look at. Some seriously fine german engineering.

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Ken D.

New, more efficient oil burners.

I have a five year old New Yorker FR 122 boiler with a Beckett AFG burner. In the Wallies opinions, what would be the most efficient replacement burner for it. Carlin, Beckett or otherwise.

Robert O'Brien

If

it has pre-purge,PSC motor,electronic ignitor there is no advantage to changing,If it doesn't, any of the big three with those features will give a slight eff increase and cut electrical consumption by more than 50% Brand preference is really personal preference rather than based on any real difference between them

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Dick Charland

Save your money, replacing the burner will not achieve a significant savings. Depending on control, a change to an interrupted duty control would reduce electrical consumption slightly and quiet the unit a little. Take a look at controlling system temperature with something like Beckett's Heat Manager or Tekmar.

Josh_10

**** I don't mean to disagree but the Weishaupt is a modulating burner with parralel positioning meaning it uses seperate servo motors for air and fuel. Modulation alone will offer a massive savings over cycling. The controll has many more features than Tekmar, and believe me I am a big Tekmar guy.

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Dick Charland

Josh, unless something has changed quite recently, Weishaupt is not available in this country in a residential size. I don't disagree with you regarding the benefits you describe, however, the manufacturer has taken the position they don't want to enter this market where decisions are too often made on price. I find it hard to disagree with them considering all of the grief I still hear about Riello 35 years after they came into the country. Given the probable cost of an installed unit, I'd address a variety of other issues before advising someone to install that burner in a New Yorker boiler.

I've seen the commercial equipment and spoken with techs who have worked on it and it is great equipment. Have I missed their introduction into this country?

Dick Charland

Josh, I checked and Weishaupt has a what I believe is a residential rep in the US. We'll have to see what is available etc.

Josh_10

**** there are tons of Weishaupt reps all over the US. The residential model available in the US is the W series. I have started up tons of them. If anyone has trouble finding one I would be happy to do some networking with the folks I know.. The reason I mentioned the unit is because the title of the post is higher efficiency oil burners, and I happened to be familiar with one that seems to fit the bill. Sounds like our friend here is looking for something specific.

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Ken D.

Oil Burner

Thanks all. We have hundreds of the FR series out there. With the price of fuel, the question is being asked repeatedly of what can be done to increase the efficiencies, especially on the newer units. We have Carlins and Becketts, and both are pretty close with Carlin having the slight edge. New boilers are not an option at this time on many of them. I ask because I'm not as familiar with oil as I used to be. (Blame heat pumps and Nat.gas.) Thanks again.

Steamhead (in transit)

Ken, you might wish

to explore improvements in heat distribution (especially on steam/Vapor) and controls (on all systems). These would mostly remain in place when new boilers are installed. Remember, once the water is either heated or boiling, the boiler's job is done. From that point, the system must distribute it to the rooms. Look to see how you can improve efficiency in this area.

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Ken_40

It's here..

The boiler you suggest is already here. It's called a Monitor FCX. A fantastic condensing oil boiler with AFUE's in the low to mid 90% range. Quiet as a mouse and simple to service. Comes with an optional Beckett or the "standard" Heat-Wise burner.

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Josh

I went to the Weishopt website and read the literature on the W series . I didn't see anything about them modulating though . Did I miss something , or is it some type of add-on feature ? Do you happen to know the low and high end of modulation for the smallest GPH burner they make ? Do they have their own proprietary system control to tie in the modulation with outdoor reset or other fancy doodads ?

Looks like a sweet burner .

Guy_6

Modulating Oil

I would be thrilled to see a modulating oil burner, but I do have one concern:

If one is installed in a larger mass boiler, the potential for condensing in the boiler seem huge.

Ken D.

Steamhead

Have you had any problems with sooting or general servicing of the oil condensing boilers? I remember some of the early condensing oil furnaces and they would soot up no matter how you set it up. Servicing was also a problem and time consuming when you did have to clean them. Thanks for your input.

Ken D.

Ken

Is the Monitor unit available through suppliers or do they use a dealer network? Is it made by one of the majors, or are they independent? Sounds intriguing. Thank you.

Steamhead (in transit)

We haven't seen any of those

in this area. I'm sure they're out there, but in rather low numbers. I expect they'll sell better if the various oil companies and government regulators stop making lame excuses and require low-sulfur oil everywhere. The first ones Gordon and I install will be in our own homes, to gain experience without using our customers as unwitting beta testers.

Right now, we're focusing on distribution system improvements for our customers. Getting the heat from the boiler to the rooms quickly and efficiently is key, no matter what equipment you have. We have customers who have reported over 30% decreases in fuel consumption after we fixed their distribution problems. By this time next year we should have a lot more such reports. That's why I posted what I did earlier.

We've been in contact with the Monitor rep regarding the FCX, and the Peerless Oil Pinnacle looks interesting too. Both are now available with industry-standard oil burners which should be serviceable from the usual truck inventory. That can make a big difference to a no-heat customer on a 5-degree night.

I'm still waiting for high-efficiency steam boilers like they have in the U.K. (Hoval) and Canada (Gasmaster).

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