Recommendations?

Joe@buderus_2

Prehaps contractors are not receptive to the idea of you providing the equipment. Many contractors are not willing to install equipment they don't supply. Buderus offers support to any contractor who request it. We offer diagrams as well as a toll free number that they can contact us.

Many contractors who visit this site are doing so because they wish to be a step above the rest. We cannot endorse one contractor over another, but any contractor who visits this site, takes the time to visit a job, design and provide a quote for installation and is recommended by a local distributor would be welcome to do my home. Sure there is always some one less expensive, but that doesn't mean they are better. The equipment is as good as the installation.

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Brad White_9

Did you try

The find a professional link above on this site? NY is home turf to many excellent practitioners.

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chuck_6

Try to contact Mad Dog

Igor:

You may want to try Mad Dog. He is located in Long Island. Either check for Matt Sweeney for contractors or put up another post and say something like, "Paging Mad Dog".

Chuck

Mike T., Swampeast MO

Do you have TRVs on your radiators? If not are you willing to add?

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Mike T., Swampeast MO

Sounds to me like you are specifying a system to BEST UTILIZE the RC-10 control ability of the GB. You can achieve exceptional economy as balanced by your personal opinion of comfort.

If Mad Dog is near you, contact him! This might be his first experience with such a system. He knows that I'll help him in any way and I know that he'll provide the finest craftsmanship.

JohnNY

Igor,
What exactly is it that you're looking for? I was at your home and spent a considerable amount of time going over your job with you several months ago. You know that I have the technical experience necessary and came to you highly recommended by our local Buderus dealer, who has a large file on your project as you've been discussing this with his staff at length for nearly two years now.
I sent a very competitive bid to you and never received the courtesy of any acknowledgement at all.
You explained to me that you were an engineer in Eastern Europe years ago, so you wanted to specify and provide the materials yourself.
You could appreciate the labor involved and were comfortable with my daily rate as I understood it.
Please tell me where I went wrong. Perhaps my company could benefit from your suggestions.
I would truly like to hear it.

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Gene_2

Igor

John would take very good care of you. It seems he has already spent alot of time on your project. Why all the hesitation?

Darin

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Brad White_9

I would respectfully offer

my own view in that you were seeking a contractor where you stated none could be found who were experienced in the GB. Unless I am mistaken, John is such a person and has the backing of Buderus (probably among others).

Nothing at all wrong in seeking alternate quotes for the same work; any good contractor would welcome that. But I think that you might have been more forthcoming in saying that you were seeking alternate quotes or opinions, not starting from a position of "nobody is available".

I can see how John might have taken your approach as dismissing his considerable investment of time on your behalf.

Just my opinion.

Brad

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JohnNY

The quote I gave you was labor only for whichever piece of equipment you provided.

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Mike T., Swampeast MO

What am I doing wrong?

For whatever reason you seem to be trying to deceive the good and honest people here who really want to help. Now you appear to have been called out for this deception.

You DO seem to have done your homework REGARDING MATERIALS and it also seems that you've accumulated many of your materials. In this regard you are trying to act as your own designer.

Problem is that REAL designers specify EVERYTHING. Not just the materials--but exactly how to install/interconnect/utilize them.

Study more. Make your EXACT drawings. THEN ask for "competitive" bids.

Otherwise accept the simple fact that you have to pay for the knowledge and experience of others who can turn your materials into a SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!

adambuild

Dear John................

I am sorry that you had to waste so much of your precious time and energy with one of the Igors of the world. No matter what you do, it won't be cheap enough or good enough. You deserve better than to deal with the type that deceptively posts here and are self-proclaimed system designers who have "learned" how to design/install from The Wall. Move on, work for people who appreciate your abilities and your right to provide for your family. By the way, I was very impressed with your response. You are a true gentlemen.

Adam

D107

why would homeowner want to provide own equipment?

As a homeowner I'd say that would bring up warranty problems. How could the installer provide the usual warranty for equipment he did not buy? True the manufacturer has a warranty, but I want the installer to have to stand behind everything. He's the one supposedly with the relationship with the supplier which could help to ease any problems that might come up.

The motivation here seems like money. So maybe HO has found a supplier that will give him the boiler for near the price the installer could get it, so HO wants to avoid the markup. But I think it's penny wise pound foolish. As a customer I"d want the installer to feel comfortable with the whole job. Since the contractor has employees to pay and other overhead, he's probably figured out how much he needs to make on each install; labor costs will be the same for him whether he buys the boiler or not.

Since Igor seems to have some knowledge, I think he'd be better off choosing a contractor who is qualified and open to his design ideas and thereby get the system he wants. Sounds like John was that contractor.

David

Ted_9

JohnNY

Run! Run as fast as you can and don't look back.


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Brad White_9

I think that

Igor ran....

Mike C_3

Joe's right!

Buderus has some of the best Tech support around (IMO) their on hold music isn't the best but fortunatly it's only while they transfer calls. I know I think everyone over there. Just call me job security!! LOL

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Mad Dog_2

Thanks for the kind words Mike, but.............................

Mad Dog's "not just for breakfast anymore" (whoever grew up in the seventies remembers that one). Actually, I've got 6 GBs under my belt. We've used the RC-10 and the new EM-10 with Tekmar for outdoor reset. we're quite familiar. I appreciate the helping hand, Mike, you've always had sound advice. Mad Dog

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Eugene Silberstein 3

I think I misses something good

Well... whatever it was I'm sure that JohnNY was well within his right.

Mad Dog_2

i consider JohnNY an equal peer to myself

You won't find a better craftsman or person in his neck of the woods. John and Gateway are tops in my book. mad dog

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Mike T., Swampeast MO

Freaking wonderful sir!!!!!!!

Any with TRVs?

Mad Dog_2

Thank you mike.........................

Not these ones...they are connected to monoflow systems with closed convectors. Could add 'em but...getting those old crusty fittings off is a whole can o' worms. Jimmy and I did A Gb in East Hampton with Trvs and some panel rads...worked great. Thanks Again mike. Mad Dog

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Unknown

where's the

Where's Igor 's quedtons and replies? He backed off and got someone from Home Depot?

Igor

After a detailed review, I decided not to accept your offer.

Igor

Thanks for recommendations!!!!!!!!!!

I accepted a proposal today.
Personal thanks to Dan Holohan.
Happy customer :-)

Igor

Have a nice 4th of July everybody!