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Near Boiler Pipeing

jim_72
jim_72 Member Posts: 77
in THE MAIN WALL
Please guys you have me worried. Do I have a serious problem ? Do you need more pics ? Any help would be GREATLY welcomed. Thanks JIM

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  • jim_72
    jim_72 Member Posts: 77
    Near boiler pipeing

    I have peerless one pipe gas steam 130000 DOE boiler.Does the near boiler pipeing look Ok? Would it benefit from a drop header.I am looking to max out steam proformance.System has two mains. Thanks Guys
  • Robert O'Connor_12
    Robert O'Connor_12 Member Posts: 728
    jim

    Is this a test? And are we gonna be graded on it. The boiler is piped wrong. If it was just done I'd call the guy back and have him change it.

    PS: I'm assuming there was no inspection done correct?

    Robert O'Connor/NJ
  • John S.
    John S. Member Posts: 260
    This boiler...

    has not been piped properly. Time to call in a professional. It needs to at least be piped according to the manufacturers specs. I cannot see an equalizer or HL.

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  • jim_72
    jim_72 Member Posts: 77
    Near Boiler Piping

    The boiler and mains were repositioned in the basement 5 years ago. Could you tell me what the problem is that you see? Then install was done by a local contractor. Thanks JIM
  • John S.
    John S. Member Posts: 260
    Robert...

    you sure he should call the guy back? ...maybe to get his money back.:)

    Sorry Jim, all kidding aside, it kills me to see installs like this, because the manufactures offer an easy to follow piping diagram for their boilers. It's obvious that whoever installed it never read the documentation.

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  • John S.
    John S. Member Posts: 260
    compare it to...

    this... or find the exact documentation for your model#.

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  • jim_72
    jim_72 Member Posts: 77
    near boiler pipeing

    Here are some pics of copper pipeing that looks like equalizer back to boiler in the rear. Any thoughts ?Thanks JIM
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
    Jim, you need a real steam man

    that piping is a mess. Go to the Find a Professional page of this site to locate someone near you.
  • ed wallace
    ed wallace Member Posts: 1,612
    boiler piping

    plaese locate a steam professional near you the piping is a mess

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  • jim_72
    jim_72 Member Posts: 77
    Near Boiler Piping

    I will consult a pro . But can you educate me with what my problem is to compare it to what he says.. THanks JIM
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Not to worry

    You're not in any serious danger with bad piping . You will see a decrease in efficiency , an increase in time to heat , and maybe some various knocks and bongs .

    To do it right , most of the boiler header and return will need to be redone , as well as the Hartford Loop . Here's a similar system with 2 boiler risers and 2 steam mains , like you have . Sorry , all I could find is an oil boiler , but the piping is the same .
  • David Sutton_6
    David Sutton_6 Member Posts: 1,079
    time for torches and pitch forks

    i say we form a possey and linch this pipe fitter,

    all kidding aside Jim, is safe as far as piping go's but realy needs to be repiped by a steam man for maximun proformance
  • Mark Hunt
    Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,908
    Jim

    The two pipes that come out of the top of the boiler are called risers and they tie into the header. Now that header will supply steam to the mains and then drop down into the boiler as the equalizer.

    In your case, the risers are piped so that they are working agaist each other due to the fact that the supply comes out of the header BETWEEN the risers. That is wrong. Try to see what the steam and condensate have to do with that piping configuration. The riser on the left is aimed at the riser on the right and any condensate that forms in there will be trapped by the two forces of steam pushing against each other. Makes for a noisy system.

    Also, there is no allowance for the expansion and contraction of the boiler block and the piping. The boiler will heat up and expand before the header ever sees any heat and when the header finally does heat up it expands laterally. Sort of like taking the wish-bone from a turkey and making a wish. Eventually something will have to give and more often than not it is a boiler section. Whichever one wears out first.

    Then there is the Hartford loop which is non-existent in your case. The loop is needed to protect the boiler in the event of a leak in a condensate line below the boiler water line. A trap if you will.

    As others have stated, it's all in the manufacturers insrtuctions. Unfortunately, Porta-potty graffiti gets read more than instructions.

    Here's a drawing.

    Mark H

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  • Jeff_64
    Jeff_64 Member Posts: 8
    Buderus G124x 11 help!

    I'm installing a Buderus tomorrow mourning, and need some help with the wiring. I spoke with Buderus tech support earlier about wiring, but I'm still confused about zoning.
    This system has for zones, I'm confused about wiring with the Logamatic R 2107. Tech support mentioned I needed a isolation relay for the circulator. Could someone please tell me what field wiring I'll have to do between the Logomatic, the 8148E and the isolation relay(name of relay?) Thanks for any held or references
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