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I updated the post seconds after I hit the send key . I deleted a sentence saying the job coming up is in Matt's neck of the woods , and although I might not be considered the competition , we do our best . I tried to word it in a self depreciating way toward myself . I got the same professional respect for you too Matt . I hope we all , including Mark , can get past the scars left by the Alternative Energy thread , and become buddies again . I really miss yours and Mark's input on my work .......

Darin Cook_3

Quality Product

I still love having everyone come down to the mechanical area and stare. The Buderus mixing and pump stations really eliminate alot of pipe clutter. The owner is very happy. All of the trades have come down and gave raving compliments. A word of thanks to N&S Supply for their excellent support as always.








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J.C.A._3

WOW!

That's all I can say....WOW ! Chris

Constantin

Very neat install

The simplification that "block" systems like the Buderus mixing stations allow is impressive.

Does the Buderus mixing system automatically adjust the secondary loop pump pressure or does it have a bypass built-in? I ask since there are 7 zones attached to the right one and no further pumps in sight. It would be really cool if it took care of all that.

I also like the clamping system you guys used and the pre-piped pri-sec header the Buderus includes as standard issue. Great job!

Ted_9

GB142

Awesome layout. I like the expansion tank location. I wish we could get wall mounted European style ones.

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Supply House Rick

It's an honor

To be your supplier and salesperson. You and Mark have taught me a great deal over the past couple of years. This is indicative of all your installs, it's not a fluke.

I challenge all wallies to post workmanship that rivals this masterpiece. You guys are THE MASTERS!
Rick

Mad Dog_2

Just glad ...they ain't in my neck of the woods................

then, I'd have some true competition. Outstanding guys. We too have been installing quite a few GBs. When I have time I will post them as well as some special steam installs. Way to go. Mad Dog

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Mark Hunt

Mixing station


The mixing stations have adjustable pressure by-pass valves. You never know what the block will ultimately be connected to.

In the past we used non-insulated uni-strut clamps and there was a definate sound transmission through the clamps. Once we switched to the insulated clamps, all sound disappeared.

Pics coming soon of another GB install in a 3000 sqft addition deep in the Adirondacs. (That's where I've been for the past 8 weeks). HO had an existing Quantum that he has had excellent performance from for the past 4 years. Kudos to ECR! I, on the other hand, do not handle that line and can't support it, so I installed a GB instead. As good as the Q90 is, it is nothing like the GB. FWIW, the GB is now the Primary boiler.

Is it illegal to be having this much fun at work???

Mark H



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ScottMP

You GO Baby !

Great installs. Nice layout, very clean !!!

Buderus makes a great product and you guys obviously know how to install em.

The gaunlet has been dropped, wheres my Olympus

Hey Darin, look into the new Taco I-radiant valve for your mixing. So far has worked really well for us, instead set point control.

Why the Taco mixer after the Buderus mixing station and why the Zone valve on the return ?? Or are you not using the Buderus mixing station ? Also why a LT instead of a ST tank ??

So many questions

Scott

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Darin Cook_3

Thanks for the kind words all

Scott, I just went and looked online at the i radiant valve. It looks sweet, I will have to give one a try. We have been trying to incorporate more zone valves into our designs to keep electrical consumption down. No sense getting someones fuel bill down and then jack up their electric bill.

The mixing valve after the mixing station is for a low temp slab zone. The mixing station itself is supplying the temp for a zone of onix staple-up with a TC-62 motorized head. I picked that spot to pull from for the slab zone due to space constraints on my pump panel. I could have just as well pulled from the pump block or the supply and return main. The LT tank was used due to a "good deal" on the tank. I caught Mark trying to take a nap on it. Since the standby loss is so low on it, he could not get warmed up.








Darin

dconnors

Kudo's to the installer

It is so nice to see great equipment professionally installed. You guys in NY have something to be proud about. I am looking forward to more posts and pics from other areas. We will be continuing to bring more innovative products to market over the next few years. Our website will announce new product as it becomes available so keep checking us out.
Thanks,
Dave

swanmech

S. Jersey pics

Currently installing, (personal), should be finish this weekend, waiting on (back order) spiral-drain. Will post finish when cond. drain, electric, & water is finish.
jon

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J.C.A._3

Swanmech

Nice job. Now for the big question...who makes those temp. gauges you installed on the returns? Chris

swanmech

Temp. gauges

They are Pasco, comes with 1/2" threaded well, gauges can be removed/replaced. My cost is about 11.50 each then add in for tap tees.

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Unknown

You guys are awesome

I couldn't imagine getting a whole system that meticulous , no matter how much time I had . You 2 are setting new levels to the bar .

Mark , does the unistrut come in diffent depths ? I have a big job coming up and need to support some 3 inch black tees and big circs on a wall , but need some area around the pipe to turn or work on it if necessary . Thanks for any help .

Darin Cook_3

Swanmech

Those Pasco gauges are the model 1449, check out the model 1450 which are 3/4" c/s. Eliminates the cost of the tap tee for a c/s one. Nice work by the way.






Darin

Mad Dog_2

Don't be so touchy Ron..........................................

I have a high regard for your skills as a craftsman. I didn't have you in mind when I made my off the cuff comment which was meant to express my awe at their beautiful work. I am in on average 3-5 homes a day and I do not see work like that - very very rarely. My aim - everyday - is to put in work like that...work that is rarely seen. I get as close as I can to that. You are a oil/steam and hot water expert who works for an oil company. I have NO doubt that you could or don't already do work on gas boilers either. I, am a self-employed person who does both oil and gas, radiant, condensing boilers, snowmelt, plumbing, steam, gas heat troubleshooting, fire sprinks and the rest. Mark and Darin are in the same boat and cover roughly the same scope of work. Although we are in the same trade and field, you and your company - although rarely - bid against eachother. Therefore, you were not included in my comment. You have a nice niche and I would not want to "race" you in a oil-to-oil swap out...under a stairs in Levittown (done quite a few of them) although I'd give it hell! Hope this clears that up. With Mutual respect as a tradesman. Mad Dog

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Mad Dog_2

Cool

By the same token, I wouldn't want Tom Swarz of TGO Mechanical to think I lumped him in there too. I have great respect for both of your pipe work, knowledge and conscientiousness. Other than you guys, I really don't see "FINE" work in my arena. I see a fair deal of "good" work, but very little excellent work. Peace Ron, Mad Dog

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Unknown

Fine work

is a rarity in any area of the country . I'd guess the cream of the crop looking to broaden their horizons naturally gravitate toward websites like this one . I look foward to seeing the pics of recent work you've done .

Hey , at least I tried to offer my hand in friendship again . Can't say I didn't give it an effort .

Now , where's my other ol' buddy , Mark ?

Mad Dog_2

Yes you have

my hand is out as well. Lets avoid politics and we'll be fine. Mad Dog

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Glenn Harrison_2

Now THAT is the kind of work...

that inspired me, when I put in my first three boilers recently. That is an awsome install. Keep the bar high, as it inspires me to do the same!

I have 2 questions for you guys.

1. What is the material you are using for that white panel everything is mounted on.

2. I'm not real familiar with the Buderus mixing stations, and in the near future we have to put in a GB142 serving all radiant, some floor warming, and an indirect. What combination of panels are you guys using?

Glenn Harrison_2

Another beautiful job

Very nice work, swanmech. I like how you ran the IDWH return line up high and back down to facilitate the LWCO.

One question, those pipe brackets your using, are they a one piece deal or do they come with the wall mounts and the pipe clamps and you cut your on threaded rod to length? Also who makes those brackets?

Keep up the good work.

Mark Hunt

Thanks Ron


Yes, uni-strut does come in different sizes. Well.......two trhat I know of. There is a shallow version that electricians use and a "deep" version which is what we use. The deep version is about 1 1/2" in depth. That might not be enough clearance for a big pump but you could try it at the supply house before you buy it.

Darin and I decided when we first went into business that we would NOT follow the flock. We were both considered "freaks" at the companies that we worked for before Comfortable Home Technologies because we love what we do. In fact, when the work day was "over" and he and I were enjoying an adult beverage at the local watering hole, people would get mad at us because we kept talking about boilers and radiant heat and all the other things that we do. This is not a "job" to us, it is something we love to do. Dan wrote something about the "lottery test" several years ago. The "Lottery test" is this. If you hit the lottery for millions of dollars, would you quit your job? If you answer yes without hesitation, you should probably look for a new job. If I hit for 350 mil, I'd still do what I do but I would have a REALLY tricked out truck!!!

Now you see all the GB pics we've been posting, but on Tuesday we replaced an old steam boiler with a new W-M EG-40. So while we enjoy the new technology available, we still have Dead Men in our hearts. We're all direct decndents of those Dead Men when it gets right down to it. Carrying on a tradition.

"100 years from now they will gaze upon my work and marvel at my skills. They will not know my name and that will be good enough for me".

Still gives me chills when I read it!

Peace!

Mark H



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Mark Hunt

Done


We shall never speak of it again.

Yes?

Mark H

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Mad Dog_2

WE call it Kindorf

avail. in both 3/4" and 1 1/2" we use both. We use it all the time we'll worth it. Mad Dog

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Mad Dog_2

WE call it Kindorf

avail. in both 3/4" and 1 1/2" we use both. We use it all the time we'll worth it. Mad Dog

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joel_19

nice

Nice job I wish the Viessmann could vent with PVC .

S Ebels

Strut

PHD makes 2-9/16" strut if I'm not mistaken. Clamps come in all sizes.

BTW Nice job Darin and Mark!!

Darin Cook_3

Glenn

The Unistrut is sold in 10' lengths and the cushioned strut clamps are sold seperately. It only took one loud system to go to the cushioned clamps solely. The LWCO location is per Buderus piping specs. The first GB install I did I had put it low beneath the boiler and someone broke my stones about it. I think that in reality a LWCO is unnecessary for this and all the new boilers with low water pressure switches. It does not hurt to have redundant safeties, but these boilers are so flow sensitive that the problems would start long before the pipe was empty of water. The boiler would have tripped out on high limit long before then. The white board is tile board we buy at Home Depot for about $10.00 a sheet. Not much money for how clean and neat it makes the job look. I have always loved how heatboys diamond plate panels looked but wanted to use something that was more cost efective for us. Thank you for the nice compliments.







Darin

Glenn Harrison_2

Thanks Darin.

I will have to look for that tile board, as it does look better than the plywood I used.

Sorry for the confusion, when I was asking about the brackets, I was refering to swanmech's pics.

Unknown

I was thinking

if we can't find Unistrut deep enough to keep the 3 inch pipe and circs off the wall , maybe we can attach one layer of uni horizontally on the wall then run another layer in front of that uni vertically . Do you know if they make clamps to attach unistrut to itsef ?

Seeing work like this is what inspires alot of us to do things better . I'll be installing my first multiple boiler and pri-sec job next week and hope it looks 1/2 as good as the work you and Darin accomplished here .

Mad Dog_2

All you need to worry about is............................

how big the pump flanges are Ron. In most cases, the 1 1/2" kindorf/unistrut suffices. You can very easily "double up" kindorf if you need to. You just need the kindorf/unistrut, threaded rod. expansion shieds or wahtever you are fasteniong to nuts and washers, maybe a few knee brackets...the rest you will figure out in the field. If you want...email me..I'll give ya the scoop. Mad Dog

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swanmech

brackets

They are just 3/8" base plates with copper coated split rings, 3/8" all thread. (we use portable band saw and mult cut. I use 3/4" sanded plywood for backer boards but $$
34.00 a sheet! I agree with Darin on the LWCO, with these boilers you already have the boiler sensors,it's mainly to please the inspector.

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swanmech

Thanks

We did use the 3/4" copper for a bit, but recently started to use propress fitting and tap tees was just easyier.

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leo g_13

Ron,

here in Van, we can get pre-cut/drilled unistrut in 31/4" deep channel.

Leo G

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Glenn Harrison_2

Thanks

I ssume these are a standard plumbing supply house item? I know our HVAC supply doesn't have them.

Ray Landry

Here in Mass those plates and rings are a very common item... try asking for 3/8 F and M (Fee and Mason) plates