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MPO and Contender ( Ron Jr. )

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BillW@honeywell
BillW@honeywell Member Posts: 1,099
Fantastic work, Ron. Check out our new Aquatrol 2000 next time you're in the market for a reset system.

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    This job was in Bellmore , NY

    The contractor's special , the Federal boiler , was way past it's prime . There wss an old aquabooster in there too . Some dimwit installed the circulators on the right of the boiler . No way at all to get to them . We had to heave the boiler out of the way to dicombobulate the circs .
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    Burnham MPO 147 and Contender indirect

    The homeowner did his homework and wanted a system that will be reliable and save oil . Compared to that big tin can , he's got the best of both worlds .

    One issue with the MPO is the sides of the jacket . No matter how careful we are somehow the jacket gets ripped out of the screws that hold it in . I hope Burnham finds a way to beef up the jacket sides . Other than that the MPO ran like a charm , quiet and effiecient . This one was installed by Paul , Sal and myself . Not the best we ever did , not the worst , but it came out OK for a one day job .
  • Uni R_3
    Uni R_3 Member Posts: 299
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    You're too modest!

    That looks great Ron!
  • Robert O'Brien
    Robert O'Brien Member Posts: 3,541
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  • lchmb
    lchmb Member Posts: 2,997
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    Nice Job

    Per the norm nice job. You guy's make every one of your job's look incredible. Good luck with the jacket, the only thing I've found is to remove it completely. They are a bit of a bear to move around but one heck of a boiler overall!!
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    nice work

    Ron nice and neat as usual. Do you guys ever offer outdoor reset as an option. I see that you use the taco switching relays and they make a fairly inexpensive outdoor reset option for that control. Nice work as always

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  • Al Corelli
    Al Corelli Member Posts: 454
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    Nice work, Ron!

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    Ron

    Once again another beautiful job. Others have encountered the side jacket panel issue as well. The blind mounts for that jacket were of high priority to give it the clean appliance look we wanted. They also provide for very easy disassembly without worrying about losing the screws. When trying to move the boiler though they do tend to either loosen or get pulled out. Since they are so easy to remove, we advise removing just the side panels before trying to push or rock the boiler in place. It only reqires removing the 4 screws under the top rear wiring access box panel, pushing forward on the top panel and removing it, then lifting the side panels off.

    Another way to move the boiler around a bit without the side panels getting disturbed is by using the rear flue canopy outlet and burner mounting hole in front as hand holds. This keeps you away from the side panels and gives you a rock solid mount directly to the boiler to move it around with. Hope this helps.

    Glenn Stanton

    Manager of Technical Development

    Burnham Hydronics

    U.S. Boiler Co., Inc.
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
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    Nice job as always

    and I'm glad to see you're doing 3-pass units now. These are so much easier to service, I wonder why they still sell pin-type boilers.....

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  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,111
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    excellent work

    Hey man as always Ron excellent job espically for a 1 dayer ,you my friend are to modest most guys wouldn't even get the old one outta the way no less get the new one in and running.agian excellent lookin job plus i guess that's better then what you been doing right peace and good luck clammy
    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating
  • Brad White_172
    Brad White_172 Member Posts: 53
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    Rome was not built in a day, Ron

    But then again, you are not that old either! They did not stand a chance.

    Another feather in your hat, for you and your crew.

    Who said "good, fast or cheap, pick any two?" The owner I am sure got an excellent value.
  • Dave_4
    Dave_4 Member Posts: 1,405
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    c\"mon ron

    3 Guys ? c"mon Ron so much for the morning, what did you do in the afternoon. good stuff dude. mike
  • Dale
    Dale Member Posts: 1,317
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    very nice

    Another great looking job Ron. You and the crew set the pit crew install standard. I counted 12 new water valves, even one on the dhw expansion tank, service techs love valves, as well as the easy to follow wiring. What is your service guys opinion of the Taco relay box? And, in the old before picture it looks like the floor was old carpet, which is hard to believe. Thanks again for the post, the customers have something to be proud of.
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    The Contender

    We tried Phase 3 / Plus , Megastor / Alliance and Superstors a while back . We've been having a hard time getting the tanks to last even 10 years . What brands are you using ? How are they lasting out east of us ? Thanks alot Robert .
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    Uni R

    I'm always my worst critic - even worse when I can take a closer look at my leisure with these pics . Thanks buddy .
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    Outdoor reset

    That's a good question . I'll have to ask the sales department about it . I know Burnham has a control that goes with the MPO but is more sophisticated than needed on these simple 2 or 3 zone whammys . I think they're working on a more simple OR control . I was looking into the Taco OR control for my own system . Have you installed them ? Do they work good on baseboard systems ? Thanks Mike .
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    Glenn

    Yep , we usually take the whole jacket off if we're going down stairs . This home was a little tricky but it was ground level . We handtrucked it from the front and set it almost in the exact spot it's in now . It seems even on the handtruck and strapped tight the jacket moves around some and rips the sheet metal . I'll remember the tricks you told us , thanks . No screws on the outside does give it a real clean look .

    Thanks for the compliment Glenn . Your comments are greatly appreciated .
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    It don't happen often

    but we are slowly getting into the 3 pass market . It's the nature of the beast though . Almost every home around here has little to no room for a boiler so long in depth and a separate heater . But we are pushing the MPO in every home that has the space .

    As far as servicing , are triple pass much easier to clean ? I haven't cleaned an MPO yet but I just did my own pin style Peerles last month . Probably 1/2 hour from start to finish , and I was real thorough . But I did set it up to be real easy to clean .

    Thanks alot Frank .
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    Good eyes

    The carpet was right up to the boiler and aquabooster . We cut some of it away and had drop cloths on the rest . Oh , it did get dirty near the boiler but the homeowner didn't mind .

    I love the Taco multizone relays . One thing I'd like to see standard is a priority on / off switch . On this one you have to remove a jumper . I toyed with the idea of adding a separate switch and wire it to P and ZC and let the homeowner know how it works . Sometime we'll try it .

    Thank you very much Dale .
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    lchmb

    Yeah , we remove the jacket maybe 90 percent of the time . But when we have a home with no basement , it's gonna stay on . I woulda thought if you're starting from scratch with a whole new boiler the designers would've made at least one side handtruck usable . But hey , who am I ? I'm just hoping we can get them in a knockdown version sometime soon .

    Thanks lchmb .
  • Robert O'Brien
    Robert O'Brien Member Posts: 3,541
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    I've

    been using the Buderus S-120 where suitable and the SSU where larger sizes are neeeded,so far so good.You would think if the Ultra doesn't hold up the Contender wouldn't either.

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    Thanks Al

    How's things going up there ?
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    I lucked out

    We've been installing boilers and heaters at a steady clip so far . We had such a deluge of oil tank installs I thought that's all we'd be doing the whole summer . Thanks alot Clammy , I appreciate the kind words .
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    Brad

    It's kinda weird sometimes . You walk onto a job and think " This is a NIGHTMARE " . Then you get down to it and ........

    It ain't so bad after all .

    We did have a few ringers . Paul and Sal set a blinding pace to follow .

    Thanks alot Brad .
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    Well , we knocked out another boiler ,

    > 3 Guys ? c"mon Ron so much for the morning, what

    > did you do in the afternoon. good stuff dude.

    > mike



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    Haha

    Hey , we're fast , but not that fast . I have to say we set a real fast pace between 9 and 1pm . After 1 is when the fatigue factor starts setting in . Man I'm getting old and decrepid . Thanks Mike .
  • Steamhead (in transit)
    Steamhead (in transit) Member Posts: 6,688
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    On a 3-pass boiler

    like the MPO, MegaSteam, Solaia and others, the entire flue area is accessed thru the big front door. This is far easier than all the little flueway covers on a pin-type boiler. And with no pins, it's much easier to brush out. Of course you shouldn't get any soot to begin with.....

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    taco pc 700

    ron if you purchase the expandable taco switching relay the pc 700 will plug right in to it. I use them all the time when tekmar controls are out of the budget.Not much labor involved other than running the outdoor sensor wire and hooking up. I have seen the mpo control and that is made by tekmar i think it is based on the 256.

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  • Al Corelli_2
    Al Corelli_2 Member Posts: 395
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    Al Corelli, NY



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  • Darin Cook_5
    Darin Cook_5 Member Posts: 298
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    Ron

    Working your magic as usual. Kudos to you and boys once again!







    Darin
  • Steve Ebels_3
    Steve Ebels_3 Member Posts: 1,291
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    Ron

    Nice job as usual. Serviceable, accessible, steel manifold........yep, nice.

    I notice you use regular flanges with a ball valve on each side. Have you ever considered using isolation flanges from Webstone or B&G? They speed things up a fair amount and shorten the whole string a bit too.

    AFA reset with BB goes, we use it just about all the time. On a retrofit job the homeowners almost invariably mention that their system doesn't go tick tick tick anymore. The comfort level is more even with fewer on/off cycles and there's a small energy savings to be had also. The add on ODR board from Taco has worked well in all the app's I have ued it on.

    Again, nice job!
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    The Contender

    has some sort of fancy lining on the inside . We switched to the Alliance G indirects a few years ago ( glass lined ) , and they seem to be holding up OK . But with a rigid steel jacket painted white and being extremely heavy for an indirect it ain't the best choice for hard maneuvering and dirty boiler rooms .
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    I've been

    asking for the flange/valves for a long time . We always pipe a sweat valve past every circ , so the combo just makes sense .

    Everyone is in agreement about OR and baseboard . I'll bring this up to out sales manager and see what he thinks . Most people who go for a triple pass and indirect are already looking for top of the line equipment . Seems like a no brainer to add OR .

    Thanks Steve .
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    Thanks Darin

    Not much magic . We're just getting faster with repetition . Paul has been installing over 30 years , I've been in for just over 20 and this is Sal's 9th year . Time flies when you're getting old .
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    Bill

    Can you send a link for the new control ? I'm a dummy when it comes to navigating the website . I have the AQ475 controlling my boiler now and was looking to upgrade to something different . Thanks alot Bill .
  • BillW@honeywell
    BillW@honeywell Member Posts: 1,099
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    AQ2000

    Hey, Ron, good to hear from you. Drop me an email with your mailing address, and I'll send it out.
  • michael siena
    michael siena Member Posts: 53
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    valves

    why so many valves? (kidding) nice job
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