Commercial Plumbers out there?

Ed_26

Why not get a 'plumber' to rough-in & finish?

GW

wall hung lav

My new shop is coming along; time to start thinking about setting some plumbing fixtures. The heating is all set, a couple of 80% gas furnaces should do the trick (yeah, right, that was a joke)

It's a 2x4 stick frame wall bathroom(s) and I have some blocking in the wall. I could install a simple wall hung but I can't stand the idea of looking at a crooked offset grid drain or turned p-trap for the rest of my life (I know I'm being particular, please forgive me). I figure I need about 10" from finished wall to drain center to keep everything straight, and there's no "basic" lav with that kind of distance.

My question is what are the best ways (if any) to push the drain out further...is there a way I can lag in some floor flanges and use a lav carrier arm system and just go with a wheelchair lav?

I'm assuming that wheelchair lavs don't have to have the carriers bolted into the floor.

Thanks for any tips!

Gary

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Weezbo

if you already have it roughed in..then thats what is.

if you do not require a handi cap lav then my absolute bar none favorite is a pedestal with a small cabinet ,it has two doors and a draw. that way you can place cleaning stuff , bathroom sundries and maybe your favorite PM mag or Wheels or Scientific America a towel wash cloth razor.. looks ok and everything is outa site outa mind...*~/:)

Rich Kontny_3

WE Use

We normally use a Mansfield ADA lav with any ADA faucet.
I have installed the wheelchair type lavs, however they do require a substantial wall carrier that needs to be inside the wall fastened to the floor.

I find the wheelchair type more prone to vandalism and loosening up from the carrier. Also I would rather look at the smaller ADA setup with the trap wrap than the big wheelchair type.

MP1969

GW

If you would kindly tell me what you do for a living, perhaps I can make a simple analogy. A residential plumber knows some basics with commercial, and a commercial plumber typically can't plumb a new house with the same finesse (I've seen it many times).

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GW

yes, wheelchair access required, thanks for the reply. I'll check in with the vendors today.

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GW

Thanks for the tip; this is for a private business, not general public.

I will check out one more time the kohler skirted model. Thanks,

gary

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Robert O'Connor_12

Gary Wilson

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to do. Many manufacturers make ADA compliant wall hung lavs. You can even install a countertop and use a waste ell that will adapt right to the drain outlet and bring you tight to the wall with the trap so it wouldn't encroach upon the handicapped user. You can finish the installation by boxing in the piping as long as you adhear to barrier free ADA guide lines. To find out what measurements to follow your going to have to look up ANSI 117.1a Acsessible building book. If you want to know what a lav carrier looks like installed,look below.


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Bill_68

Nice

Nice looking job Robert. Have you ever tried WADE chair carriers?

Bill

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GW

wood frame

The two 1/2 baths are 2x4 framing on a wood floor deck (they're side by side, not back to back if that makes any difference). In my past life that's all i did was commercial (19 years ago), so I'm just not with the times. I'm certain you don't have to have the legs... as in, if there was a solid cement wall one couln't merely bolt in some floor flanges, and then the arm pieces simply come out of the wall?

So, my original question was could i mount floor flanges, and would the chrome escutions "hide" this transition/flange? I realize some large by huge bathroom user could shred the thing off the wall if they so desired.

To the non- plumber, this question doesn't make sense to you at all!

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Bill_68

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Bill_68

http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatalog/pdf/115738_1.pdf

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Bill_68

Kohler

http://www.us.kohler.com/onlinecatalog/pdf/115738_1.pdf

http://www.us.kohler.com/tech/roughin.jsp?section=3

Cut & Paste these two (2) links if you want some ideas regarding plumbing rough-in information. You do not need a chair carrier...just use the wall bracket in the box and prep the wall with solid blocking.

Bill

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Robert O'Connor_12

carriers

I currently use the JR Smith carrier because in most applications, its just easier to install (less assembly required). To answer Bill's question, yes, I've used Wade before and I'm sure I'll use them again. It depends on whats spec'd for the project. This specific carrier was used because its fast (one piece). I believe you would break the fixture before you could rip these lavs off the wall.

here are a few more pics of a back-back wc & urinal application recently installed.


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Charlie from wmass

nice looking job. I am amazed when I see the P.V.C. on the commercial installations though. Up here so far it is still all metalic piping for commercial. I vote for using a carrier as it makes an aweful mess when a sink does get ripped off the wall. Carriers are relatively cheap now a days and the one peice design sure saves a bunch of time.

Robert O'Connor_12

Charlie

Most of the building no-hub cast iron was used. The only places we can use PVC is inside the masonry walls and in areas where their isn't a return air plenum or if its boxed into fire-rated walls and columns.

more pics...


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