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Closet boiler mess ( Ron Jr. )

Nothing looks particularly old. No rust/grunge from the decades but what looks like SEVERE overheating. What's your diagnosis of why?

Just curious. Would stairs like this be easier? Same change in direction but the center of the "pie" is far away from the edge of the stairs. This is called a "dancing" or "balanced" staircase.


  • This almost was called Closet Boiler Disaster ......

    This Ford boiler had the worst burn through I've ever seen . We saw scorching on the concrete wall behind the boiler . There was 3 zones of heat , a water heater , water main and a ducted humidifier crammed in this little closet .

    Oh ....... and the stairs . I looooove carrying down a 600 lb boiler when there's a pie shape to the stairs . I really love when we can't use a handtruck because of the pie shape . Basement entrances have always been an afterthought on Long Island .
  • Peerless WBV4

    There was one 1 inch supply and 3 separate returns originally . Being all baseboard we reversed the flow to pipe the circs on the supply .

    We had to reroute the cold pipe to the heater and move the flex for the humidifier . We also centered the boiler between the wall on the left and the heater . It doesn't look it but there is room to work on both sides .

    This was just me and Kenny originally , but I had to call for backup . Sal met us an hour after the call .
  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,981
    Keep on smilin' what we go through....(3rd eye blind)

    Jr., you have the patience that most of us would kill for.

    A true PRO ! Nice job bunky...

    Milne would KILL for me to put that out in a day. Nice stuff. Chris
  • Ken D.
    Ken D. Member Posts: 836

    What a difference! Nice job. Looks like a COB 110. I did like that burn mark on the back of the old one. Added and antique touch.
  • Thanks Chris

    I almost lost it when we walked down the steps the first time . When the lady went upstairs I raised my arms and said quietly to Ken " WHAT THE %$&@ ! "

    This was Kenny's 3rd 3 zone boiler in 3 days . We gave him a break from the piping today . Funny how we're more busy in spring than winter .
  • My diagnosis was .......

    I didn't even look . I halfheartedly took some pics of the back and sides in case the insurance co. needs them . This was a new account for us . We were thinking about taking the jacket off to hand carry that little sucka out , but Kenny and Sal convinced me to use the handtruck . We did get it out but had to lift the boiler and handtrruck to the 2nd step up past the pie .

    The stairs in your pic are easier to maneuver a boiler on . We tell the sales department there HAS to be enough room on the stair itself to get both wheels on - 24 inches between the wheels . And 30 inches minimum in depth to accomodate the boiler and handtruck . Stuff like this is a very common issue over here . This was my 2nd job in 3 days with very tight turns on stairs .
  • Ken

    I think the COB is a wet base steel boiler ? That woulda been a much better choice than this tin can . There's alot of scary stuff still out there - these Fords , Repcos , Federals , any dry base boiler a few decades old .

    Thanks Ken .
  • Uni R_3
    Uni R_3 Member Posts: 299
    600# gorilla

    Ron, in a different/NG market, you'd be carrying down a hundred pound boiler that's immune to the first 3' of a flood. The politics of pipelines I guess...

    Which brings me back to the question -- How did you get that boiler down the stairs? Very clean work as always!!!
  • Mark Hunt
    Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,909
    Well that

    earned you another drink on me this Friday!

    Very nice install again!

    I ALWAYS loved those wacky stair cases. Electric hand truck is out of the question and there is no such thing as a "light" CI oil boiler.(Your company should look HARD at the Burnham LE. 325 pounds!)

    Great job Ron!

    Mark H

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  • bob_46
    bob_46 Member Posts: 813
    Pump Size

    Ron, Nice looking work as usual. What size pumps do you use on a job like that? From looking at your work over the years I get the impression that you prefer pumps over zone valves. Do you ever get any noise complaints?
  • Empire_2
    Empire_2 Member Posts: 2,343
    Hi ROn.

    As far as the stairs go, we just completed a similar job and what I did was build a level frame with 2x6 on either side to span the nasty step and covered with 3/4" plywood to make for easier turn on that funky step. Worked pretty well I might add.

    Mike T.
  • The new boiler

    We split it in 2 and carried 'er down . Not my favorite way to get the job done , but we had no choice .

    Someone managed to get a full sized pool table down there . I'm betting it was brought down in pieces . Thanks Uni R .
  • Mike

    Sometimes we do like you said and build up a step with cinder blocks and plywood . That's a must for the old Blueray safes we pull out regularly .
  • Cool

    I'm a tap beer drinker but since it's on you ..... well , I never had a $30 cocktail before .

    I'll have to look into the LE . Is that a heat only boiler ?

    What electric handtruck do you use ? We're currently using the Powermate which can work wonders once you're on the stairs . But maneuvering that thing is ridiculously tough . Who thought having just one short handhold on top is sufficient for a 200 lb. handtruck ?

    Thanks alot Mark . Can't wai for tomorrow . We'll be getting there early , maybe 5 , 5:30 . See you there buddy .
  • We use circs

    on just about everything . A majority our boilers are 2 zones . It just seems easier to go with circs on these simple jobs . We use 007s on just about everything . Thanks alot Bob .
  • Ken D.
    Ken D. Member Posts: 836

    The COB was a dry base. The CWL was the wet base.
  • Dale
    Dale Member Posts: 1,317
    A nice job

    I always save your before and after pictures to show the new guys what they will see, and how jobs could look if someone who really knew the work did the install. Thanks for the burn through detail, I remember Glen S. from Burnham was looking for this type of picture for a class. I really liked how you got the water lines away from the left side. I'm not an oil guy so the line tee looked small to me and is there a barometric on the water heater now or will the one on the boiler be ok? Thanks for the post.
  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,111
    outstanding as always

    Excellent as always ron you and your crew really do rock and roll ,i myself always love those corner turning stairs real pia espically when they frame the stair case smaller on the turn ,again awesome stuff for all the boilers you replace it's totally amazing that the quality of your work is never compromsed .No need to ever tell you to keep up the great work ever boiler you post show your true craftmenship and comminent to the trade you are one hell of a mech as always hats and head bowed .peace and good luck clammy
    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating
  • lchmb
    lchmb Member Posts: 2,997
    Second that

    I'll second that Ron, you guy's have some tough dig's to deal with and make everything look perfect!! Think I'm glad I don't have to deal with those install's every day...:)

    I'll have to try and get to NY this summer and buy you guy's a couple cold one's to make up for the suffering your boss put's you through!! Keep up the good work...
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