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Brian_58
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Here is a quick summary, I have a bungalow on a crawl space. 800sf downstairs, 300sf upstairs. Crawl space has 3' clearance to bottom of joists, 4' to the subfloor. Due to the terrible layout of the first floor I want to rip out the chimney which is dead in the center of the house. Currently I have forced air, but to go to a new system has come quickly to $8-10,000 since all new ducts would have to be run to get up to code. I want to go to baseboard heat. A supply company ran a heat-loss and made recommendations. Here are my questions:
1. Can a boiler be safely installed in a crawl space with 4' clearance?
2. Could it go under a staircase? (i'll check with the city on clearances, I know this, but I want to know if anyone has done it)
3. Supply co. recommended a Munchkin 92% boiler 80M ASME, what are other possibilities?
and 4. does anyone know somebody around Detroit who does new installs? I called the people listed on this site (all 2 of them) and they tell me they only know how to install what they sell..... but won't make a recommendation within their own product. Basically, if I went with the Munchkin I'd have to install it myself, which I'm not looking forward to. I can sweat copper to no end, but I'm smart enough to know when I'm in over my head. I don't need the baseboards run, I just need the boiler installed. I have no idea what this takes I can't find anyone around here willing to walk me through it. I would greatly appreciate any help you can give.
1. Can a boiler be safely installed in a crawl space with 4' clearance?
2. Could it go under a staircase? (i'll check with the city on clearances, I know this, but I want to know if anyone has done it)
3. Supply co. recommended a Munchkin 92% boiler 80M ASME, what are other possibilities?
and 4. does anyone know somebody around Detroit who does new installs? I called the people listed on this site (all 2 of them) and they tell me they only know how to install what they sell..... but won't make a recommendation within their own product. Basically, if I went with the Munchkin I'd have to install it myself, which I'm not looking forward to. I can sweat copper to no end, but I'm smart enough to know when I'm in over my head. I don't need the baseboards run, I just need the boiler installed. I have no idea what this takes I can't find anyone around here willing to walk me through it. I would greatly appreciate any help you can give.
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If I were quoting the job I would rather see you with a Viessmann Vitodens and panel radiators with TRV's. The vitodens can be installed in the same space as your washing machine if you make provisions for it.
You would see even more fuel savings on the condensing side and unparalleled comfort if you were to install radiant floor heating running on much lower water temps to take advantage of the condensing technology.
But if your not looking to invest that kind of money in the remodel, panel radiators are nice. designed at 140 water temps they will not pose a threat to your children getting burned. Most days of the year that are not design days the actual water temps to the radiators will be lower due to the outdoor reset.
I have a bungalow myself, roughly 900sqf. Your not looking at a $50,000 radiant install. You may find its not as expensive as you may think.
I would do some research on radiant at healthyheating.com the radiant panel assiciation website, the viessmann website, as well as the professionals here.
Interview some radiant professionals, get some pricing and go from there.
A remodel is the perfect time to get you started with real comfort.
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It is physically difficult to fit a boiler in a space that small. A munchkin might fit, but I can think of no other boiler short enough to fit in that space. Installing a boiler beneath stairs might be fine if there is adequate height available.
I question that sizing unless this building has a particularly high heat load. HTP does make a 50MBH version of the Munchkin.
Personally, I prefer panel radiators to baseboard, particularly for retrofit because they do not interfere with the wall base trim. I am fond of VEHA radiators. You could use thermostatic radiator valves on the entire system.
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BUDERUS
> If I were quoting the job I would rather see you
> with a Viessmann Vitodens and panel radiators
> with TRV's. The vitodens can be installed in the
> same space as your washing machine if you make
> provisions for it.
>
> You would see even more
> fuel savings on the condensing side and
> unparalleled comfort if you were to install
> radiant floor heating running on much lower water
> temps to take advantage of the condensing
> technology.
>
> But if your not looking to invest
> that kind of money in the remodel, panel
> radiators are nice. designed at 140 water temps
> they will not pose a threat to your children
> getting burned. Most days of the year that are
> not design days the actual water temps to the
> radiators will be lower due to the outdoor
> reset.
>
> I have a bungalow myself, roughly
> 900sqf. Your not looking at a $50,000 radiant
> install. You may find its not as expensive as you
> may think.
>
> I would do some research on radiant
> at healthyheating.com the radiant panel
> assiciation website, the viessmann website, as
> well as the professionals here.
>
> Interview some
> radiant professionals, get some pricing and go
> from there.
>
> A remodel is the perfect time to
> get you started with real comfort.
>
>
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 395&Step=30"_To Learn More About This
> Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in
> "Find A Professional"_/A_
A piece of advise. STAY AWAY FROM MUNCHKIN!!!!
There not very reliable, and tough to get parts for.
Buderus has ther GB wall hung boiler, you might be able to put in the house . Check local codes
WWW.BUDERUS.COM0 -
BUDERUS
> If I were quoting the job I would rather see you
> with a Viessmann Vitodens and panel radiators
> with TRV's. The vitodens can be installed in the
> same space as your washing machine if you make
> provisions for it.
>
> You would see even more
> fuel savings on the condensing side and
> unparalleled comfort if you were to install
> radiant floor heating running on much lower water
> temps to take advantage of the condensing
> technology.
>
> But if your not looking to invest
> that kind of money in the remodel, panel
> radiators are nice. designed at 140 water temps
> they will not pose a threat to your children
> getting burned. Most days of the year that are
> not design days the actual water temps to the
> radiators will be lower due to the outdoor
> reset.
>
> I have a bungalow myself, roughly
> 900sqf. Your not looking at a $50,000 radiant
> install. You may find its not as expensive as you
> may think.
>
> I would do some research on radiant
> at healthyheating.com the radiant panel
> assiciation website, the viessmann website, as
> well as the professionals here.
>
> Interview some
> radiant professionals, get some pricing and go
> from there.
>
> A remodel is the perfect time to
> get you started with real comfort.
>
>
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 395&Step=30"_To Learn More About This
> Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in
> "Find A Professional"_/A_
A piece of advise. STAY AWAY FROM MUNCHKIN!!!!
There not very reliable, and tough to get parts for.
Buderus has ther GB wall hung boiler, you might be able to put in the house . Check local codes
WWW.BUDERUS.COM0 -
BUDERUS
> If I were quoting the job I would rather see you
> with a Viessmann Vitodens and panel radiators
> with TRV's. The vitodens can be installed in the
> same space as your washing machine if you make
> provisions for it.
>
> You would see even more
> fuel savings on the condensing side and
> unparalleled comfort if you were to install
> radiant floor heating running on much lower water
> temps to take advantage of the condensing
> technology.
>
> But if your not looking to invest
> that kind of money in the remodel, panel
> radiators are nice. designed at 140 water temps
> they will not pose a threat to your children
> getting burned. Most days of the year that are
> not design days the actual water temps to the
> radiators will be lower due to the outdoor
> reset.
>
> I have a bungalow myself, roughly
> 900sqf. Your not looking at a $50,000 radiant
> install. You may find its not as expensive as you
> may think.
>
> I would do some research on radiant
> at healthyheating.com the radiant panel
> assiciation website, the viessmann website, as
> well as the professionals here.
>
> Interview some
> radiant professionals, get some pricing and go
> from there.
>
> A remodel is the perfect time to
> get you started with real comfort.
>
>
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 395&Step=30"_To Learn More About This
> Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in
> "Find A Professional"_/A_
A piece of advise. STAY AWAY FROM MUNCHKIN!!!!
There not very reliable, and tough to get parts for.
Buderus has ther GB wall hung boiler, you might be able to put in the house . Check local codes
WWW.BUDERUS.COM0 -
BUDERUS
> If I were quoting the job I would rather see you
> with a Viessmann Vitodens and panel radiators
> with TRV's. The vitodens can be installed in the
> same space as your washing machine if you make
> provisions for it.
>
> You would see even more
> fuel savings on the condensing side and
> unparalleled comfort if you were to install
> radiant floor heating running on much lower water
> temps to take advantage of the condensing
> technology.
>
> But if your not looking to invest
> that kind of money in the remodel, panel
> radiators are nice. designed at 140 water temps
> they will not pose a threat to your children
> getting burned. Most days of the year that are
> not design days the actual water temps to the
> radiators will be lower due to the outdoor
> reset.
>
> I have a bungalow myself, roughly
> 900sqf. Your not looking at a $50,000 radiant
> install. You may find its not as expensive as you
> may think.
>
> I would do some research on radiant
> at healthyheating.com the radiant panel
> assiciation website, the viessmann website, as
> well as the professionals here.
>
> Interview some
> radiant professionals, get some pricing and go
> from there.
>
> A remodel is the perfect time to
> get you started with real comfort.
>
>
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 395&Step=30"_To Learn More About This
> Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in
> "Find A Professional"_/A_
A piece of advise. STAY AWAY FROM MUNCHKIN!!!!
There not very reliable, and tough to get parts for.
Buderus has ther GB wall hung boiler, you might be able to put in the house . Check local codes
WWW.BUDERUS.COM0 -
BUDERUS
> If I were quoting the job I would rather see you
> with a Viessmann Vitodens and panel radiators
> with TRV's. The vitodens can be installed in the
> same space as your washing machine if you make
> provisions for it.
>
> You would see even more
> fuel savings on the condensing side and
> unparalleled comfort if you were to install
> radiant floor heating running on much lower water
> temps to take advantage of the condensing
> technology.
>
> But if your not looking to invest
> that kind of money in the remodel, panel
> radiators are nice. designed at 140 water temps
> they will not pose a threat to your children
> getting burned. Most days of the year that are
> not design days the actual water temps to the
> radiators will be lower due to the outdoor
> reset.
>
> I have a bungalow myself, roughly
> 900sqf. Your not looking at a $50,000 radiant
> install. You may find its not as expensive as you
> may think.
>
> I would do some research on radiant
> at healthyheating.com the radiant panel
> assiciation website, the viessmann website, as
> well as the professionals here.
>
> Interview some
> radiant professionals, get some pricing and go
> from there.
>
> A remodel is the perfect time to
> get you started with real comfort.
>
>
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 395&Step=30"_To Learn More About This
> Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in
> "Find A Professional"_/A_
A piece of advise. STAY AWAY FROM MUNCHKIN!!!!
There not very reliable, and tough to get parts for.
Buderus has ther GB wall hung boiler, you might be able to put in the house . Check local codes
WWW.BUDERUS.COM0 -
BUDERUS
A piece of advise. STAY AWAY FROM MUNCHKIN!!!!
There not very reliable, and tough to get parts for.
Buderus has ther GB wall hung boiler, you might be able to put in the house . Check local codes
WWW.BUDERUS.COM0 -
you might not want to put a boiler in a crawl space...
if you are having difficulty finding someone to install a boiler now..consider when you need to have someone come by the house to clean and maintain,fix or repair, troubleshoot ...how many people do you think you will find to crawl over to the boiler with thousands of dollars of instruments and tools to do that?
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boiler crawl space
why not install a Monitor 221 heater with a Toyotomi direct vent water heater0 -
hey Ed
Ed why do you say that i have installed over a dozen of them and i have not had any issues with them including burner fan assembles but all of my install i had followed good piping pratices and proper venting ,i also do stay in contant with my custermers and have a t80 in my own home ,i love buderus stuff but the prices i get for a gb puts me out of most of the jobs i bid on .What promblems have you had with them?peace and good luck clammyR.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
NJ Master HVAC Lic.
Mahwah, NJ
Specializing in steam and hydronic heating0 -
Boiler
If the floor in the crawl space is dirt, you can dig a pit so a boiler can be installed with proper clearance. It was done a lot back in the day. Be sure to install a sump pump in the pit to prevent water damage to the unit. And PLEASE think of the serviceman who has to service it. Leave good clearances.0 -
Norms right, but don't rule out a Buderus GB-142
I would opt for a closet install rather than a crawlspace. We've put a few in closets. Most Mod/Cons have very liberal tolerances to combustible materials.....inches. Mad Dog0 -
That's unfair, Ed
I have MANY Munchies and Pinnacles out there that are SUPER reliable. Parts are readily available if they are ever needed.
And, HTP Tech support is excellent.
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panel radiators
Modern panel radiators are pretty cool. Baseboard is unsightly and gets in the way of big feet like mine.
Here's a question I've been wondering about. My previous home had circa 1938 convector rads set into recessed metal cabinets that had cast iron front panels that were flush with the wall. They produced a high level of comfort due to the combination of lots of convection as well as radiation. Is this type of product still made?0
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