Stick to tubing Uponor, not Geology

bigugh_4

Kevin O. Pulver

700,000 years?

(This is in reference to the "choice" brochure I just received in the latest barrage from the Uponor marketing blitzkreig.In it, they mention their tubing being used in Antarctica where scientists do will do ice core analysis "700,000 years into the past")
Have any of you seen the article about the p-38 Lightning that was ditched on the ice with other members of the "lost squadron?" Well, that happened during WWII and they found and dug it up after approximately 50 years and it had about 260 feet of ice cover already. Facts NEVER speak for themselves, they are interpreted through the fabric of your worldview. We all have the same facts, but different conclusions. There are many, many reasons why the "billions and billions of years ago" story doesn't fit in with the evidence we see all around us. The airplane story cited above is only one. Try www.answersingenesis.org for compelling evidence of a relatively young earth. Kevin

Josh_10

You know what I think? I think that really speaks to the home owner... Remember when their big claim to fame was that their tubing was used in kidney dialysis? Of course we as professionals could give a flying flip because that has nothing to do with heating but the home owner thinks wow! The same stuff that is in my floor is contributing to geological discovery in Antarctica! It must be incredible.. My heating professional is really advanced!

Brad White_40

Classic Straw-Man Marketing

One of the oldest ploys in debate. Sort of like when a peanut butter manufacturer said "No Cholesterol!" (Peanut butter never HAD cholesterol, the dopes.....)

Then there is the negative aspects of comparitive marketing: Toilet manufacturers in order to test how well their fixtures work use tofu [Correction- Miso]. Miso manufacturers really do not appreciate that association you can imagine. And just what the kids need to hear too!

J.C.A._3

Brad,

You've just turned a few vegetarians into carnivors! What a card....JCA

Plumbob

Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

Josh_10

This Phily Cheese Steak sandwich I am eating is suddenly tasting really good. Tofu huh? What was the comparison?

[Deleted User]

How else...

do you simulate human waste in a laboratory condition...

How's that Philly Cheese steak samich tasting now...

I've also heard that they used condoms filled with mayo...to simulate things -)

ME

Maine Doug_28

Here is

another one for you. I wonder how this would effect a single pipe steam system.

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

ScottMP

Miso

A thick vegetable paste, I saw it myself at the Toto lab

Look and acted just like the real thing ..... No I did'nt taste it.

Miso soup now has a different perspective.

Kinda like that Philly Steak right about now

Scott

PS: I still don't know what Uponor has to do with a plane under 250 feet of ice ???????

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Brad White_40

I stand corrected, Miso..

Proves once again, Scott-

You really know your, ah, miso...

Unknown

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/more_creationist_comedy_keuchman.htm

Wow, it had just as much ice cover as it should have had. THAT'S AMAZING!

Kevin O. Pulver

Let me restate it...

Scott, The plane had 260 feet of ice after only 50 years. At that rate, after only 1000 years, the ice would be a MILE thick. And we're supposed to believe they're digging up ice cores 700,000 years old. I don't know how deep they're drilling, but it's nowhere near 700 miles.
Uponor knows tubing, but they're getting their geology information from people who are going way out on a limb. They better stick to plastics was the point I was making.
There is a HUGE amount of evidence to show the earth is closer to 6000 years old.
Kevin

Constantin

Umm... allow me to disagree

... Kevin, how about a quick look at the article from Rob?

Yes, the ice sheet at the location of the lost squadron is growing at 57" a year because it's close to the sea. Further inland, the rate of growth is much lower because the yearly precipitation is also much lower there. Thus, the scientists at those inland sistes did not have to drill hundreds of miles deep to unearth thousands of years of geologic history.

Between known events that leave traces, carbon-dating, etc. establishing the date of each "growth ring" on the cores is an accepted procedure throughout the scientific community. That said science is at odds with some religious views is perhaps unsurprising but such conflicts have no bearing on the scientific validity of the findings. Cheers!

Plumbob

Mindless acceptance is a wonderful thing, isn't it, Kevin? Prevents you from having to think, You already know the answer, so you know which "evidence" to select and which to reject.

At the recent creation theory trial in Pennsylvania, the judge noted how the people who were supposed to be religious were particularly willing to tell lies in court...

Weezbo

Huh?...

> Mindless acceptance is a wonderful thing, isn't

> it, Kevin? Prevents you from having to think, You

> already know the answer, so you know which

> "evidence" to select and which to reject.

>

> At

> the recent creation theory trial in Pennsylvania,

> the judge noted how the people who were supposed

> to be religious were particularly willing to tell

> lies in court...



Man you guys talk about my periapsis and circumnavigation an circumambulations...

Weezbo

Huh?...


Man you guys talk about my periapsis and circumnavigation an circumambulations...

i cannot see how any court proceedings in Transylvania regarding condoms filled with miso 700 miles deep in some ice crust aboard a 1950's aeroplane could possibly have any bearing on billions of lineal feet of Wirsbo pex circling the earth like a big hoola hoop. You guys are gettin weirder by the day

*~/:) ) oops ...I digress....:)

Kevin O. Pulver

Judgement day is coming Plumb Bob

It's one day closer than yesterday. Are you saving all your so called evidence against creation for the Judge? You sure didn't present any here. Any professing christian who tries to incorporate evolution into his theology is sadly deceived. The Bible clearly states that by one man (Adam) sin entered the world, and death entered the world by sin. If evolution were true, death would have existed for billions of evolving generations until man ever came on the scene. From Goo to You, by way of the Zoo. You have a right to believe whatever crazy evolution story you want, but don't call it science, and don't call yourself a Christian. I can't explain the existence of God, and evilutionists can't explain the existence of everything else. Both ideas are equally religious. Like I said, there's a quarter million dollars waiting for your evidence... but I know, you don't really have any, it's all just talk. Kevin

Unknown

Just because you don't understand the evidence, doesn't mean it's not evidence.

Edward A. (Ed) Carery

P38 Under ice

In case anyone is interested, the attached photo of the P38 Lightning, "Glacier Girl", flying in formation, was taken by me, at the EAA air show in Oshkosh WI, 2005.

I also attended a presentation in the museum, presented by the crew that retrieved and subsequently restored her.

Talk about history.

Regards,

Ed

Plumbob

Hallelujan, amen, Brother Kevin. You know what else bothers me? Those wetheads who do emergency service on Sunday. It says clearly in Exodus 35:2 that they should be put to death. Will you help me kill them?

And then they use their ill-gotten gains to take their families to seafood restaurants. It says clearly in Leviticus 11:10 that eating shellfish is an abomination. How can they say they're Christians?

Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. I figure this applies to Mexicans, but I am not sure about Canadians.

But the worst abomination of all is, those people who demand proof that Judgement Day is coming, or that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. It just is, so there. It's just like those people who won't believe that Viessmann is the best, they want warranties. Eternal non-hydronic heat for them, I say.

Brian (Tankless)

I sense the tongue

was firmly planted in cheek on that one, J. Cool.

Regardless, I liked it.

I AM a Christian and PREFER not to work on Sundays, but if a poor old lady calls me on a freezing Sunday morning, to check her water heater, furnace or boiler, I'm already out the door, sorry Lord, I have a soft spot for old ladies

If time does not move up, down, forwards or backwards, then everything is happening right here & now. So, heaven & hell co-exist and occupy the same space & time.

Every morning on waking, I can choose by my actions & thoughts where I will live today, Heaven or Hell. That warm fuzzy feeling after fixing Mrs. Boudreaux furnace tells me where I am, and I don't think MY God minds what I just did on His Sunday.

Oops, this is Sunday, is all this typing work or fun?

Later guys, Autumn (8 yr old daughter), the light of my life is clamouring for attention.

Brian.

P.S. for Kevin. I will never bash your beliefs (I share some of them, except when the earth was formed) , just lighten up a little

[Deleted User]

J Cool et al...

I'm not sure this is the appropriate forumn for this type of discussion. To each his own, just don't judge others for their beliefs.

And Mr Cool, if you can't say anything worthwhile, IMHO you should keep it to yourself...

Can we get back to hydronics?

Kevin, it's called marketing, and any company in their right mind will do what they can to get people to buy their product. Right, wrong or indifferent. Wether you agree with them or not.

You can always vote with your dollar.

ME

DanHolohan

What he said.

Unknown

That is cool stuff right there. Pretty amazing story

chapchap70_2

What did you think starting this thread here would accomplish?

Kevin,

There are religious bulletin boards where you could post stuff like this. These are places where people go who might actually be looking for God. I have posted at one on various topics. Posting this here where people go to get their heating questions answered is like crashing a party and yelling "repent, judgement day is coming!!" Stuff like what you are doing may turn more people off to God and Christians than help people.

Carl

Timco

My wife is the Gospel Doctrine teacher for our church, and works with bones older than 50,000 years as an Anthropologist who teaches human evolution...she is one of only about 12 research professors in the states who performs isotope chemistry research...and we believe we are Christians as well, Kev.

Tim

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Kevin O. Pulver

Shark attack!

Wow guys, it sure is lonely over here. I thought that at least a few of you would admit you think evolution is a farce.
Just remember, True science and the Bible always agree. But "science" is always playing catch-up. When "science" said the earth was flat and held up by a giant tortoise, the prophet Isaiah decared, "God hangs the circle of the earth on nothing." When "science" was bleeding sick men, Leviticus declared, "the life of the flesh is in the blood." When "science" finally figured out germs and washing of hands for surgeons, the biblical command to wash hands in "running water" had been around for thousands of years.
The list is extensive... and now when modern men in their arrogance and ignorance have decided that everything we see is just a result of random chance and time, time, and MORE time, Genesis declares, "in the beginning GOD..."
How can you be a Christian if you call God a liar? What do you teach if you doubt the Bible? How do you choose which parts to believe? Evolution is a dying religion supported only by tax dollars. Kevin

DanHolohan

Kevin,

This is a heating site, and not the place for religious discussion. Thanks for your understanding, and your cooperation.

Canasta Pete_3

GOD

God is scary when you get him indoors, also the leading cause of death. Just live your life don't preach and keep God out of "Organized Religion" and Heating Help Sites, She doesn't work well with others.
Ol' Canasta

Kevin O. Pulver

OK

Dan, I sincerely appreciate your tolerance for my occasional sidetracks. I don't intend to cause trouble, it's just that my religious convictions affect every area of my life. I value truth, and other people; therefore I try to communicate truth to them. I know that's the same thing that motivated you to share such a wealth of knowledge here and I am grateful you did. Kevin

DanHolohan

Thanks for understanding, Kevin.

I also have religious convictions. Here, however, I try to let them appear through my actions rather than my words.

Back to heating now?

Brad White_9

Amen.