gas fireplace

rick_36

have customer who has gas fireplace 3years old has smell since day one .installers were subed out from builder. after lots of calls with one person coming back with no clue ,tried to tell her that the houses are too close together affecting draft.Does anybody ever dealt with superior.gnna go call them with operating parameters. anybody have any suggestions ,

rick_36

have customer who has gas fireplace 3years old has smell since day one .installers were subed out from builder. after lots of calls with one person coming back with no clue ,tried to tell her that the houses are too close together affecting draft.Does anybody ever dealt with superior.gnna go call them with operating parameters. anybody have any suggestions ,

brucewo1b

Rick what kind of odor, gas, fumes or just an odd smell, if those logs are those that look like they were made from spay foam in a mold then if one gets broken or scratched it can give off an odor when hot. In that case all you can do is replace the logs and carefully install them.

Bruce

Mark Hunt

Have you


tested it with a combustion analyser?

"Fumes" mean something is coming into the house and CO is coming with it.

There are almost an infinite number of reasons this could be happening and until you start by testing, you will be guessing.

Does the unit give off "fumes" when it is NOT burning? Probably not, so the problem only happens when it is on fire. So we start by testing the fire. Is it burning properly? This is not to be confused with "nice blue flame". "Nice blue CO" is just as deadly as "nasty yellow CO".

I'm not trying to be a smarty pants here, but this is a perfect example of why we need to test every combustion appliance we find.

A combustion analyser will identify ANY issue that comes up when something is on fire.

Mark H

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rick_36

customer does not run fireplace .I am going over when i get more info on unit .builder .supplier ,all ignored their calls .I have co tester only and bacharch kit .Dothey make a tester under 1000.I paid over 600 for co kit.will check on logs ,this has not run .customer ran unit for a couple hours to burn off smell did not work

Mark Hunt

Yes


The Bacharach Fyrite-pro 120 should be less than 1k (without the printer).

Glad to hear the customer is not using the fireplace.

If you can, get some pictures of the unit.

I am going to e-mail you my cell phone #. Call me and I will do what I can to help you fix this.

Mark H

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Mark Hunt

Bad e-mail addy Rick

If you want, shoot me an e-mail at wetheat63@hotmail.com.

Mark H


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Timco

'0' CO FP gas log kit

Anyone ever hear of a '0' CO gas log kit??? A cust showed me this kit a fireplace guy installed, and boldly stated it produced NO CO and the chimney damper could be close and all just fine. I did not have my comb analy with me to show him the truth. Maybe next week. It had no vermiculite, and the logs were stacked around the burner to not touch the flame. The burner looked like a boiler burner, louvered.

T

Timco

My fyrite pro 125 was $1099 with printer at Johnstone Supply.

T

KenMez_2

This is a little off topic, but it is about gas fireplaces. I (my wife) want to install a direct vent fireplace in our living room,problem is,is it is on the slab section of the house. Is it acceptable to run a gas line through the ceiling to the fireplace? Keyspan will not run a second line to the house because of code issues.Trenching in a line around the house would take a ton of effort including the use of a jackhammer.

Mark Hunt

I hope


you bought two!!!

Good price.

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Mark Hunt

Sorry


but that is impossible. CO is a by-product of incomplete combustion. (I know you know this T)

Unless complete combustion is achieved, CO will be produced.

Mark H



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Bob Harper

diffferential Dx

Odors are the hardest thing to accurately diagnose and cure. Several things you need to consider or rule out:
Leakage of combustion byproducts- is the combustion chamber sealed? Even if it is a direct vent, is the glass actually sealing? Verify with a chemical smoke puffer first then burn and sample for CO2 (yes) and CO. You see, regardless of the combustion efficiency, you know you're making lots of CO2. However, CO levels might be rather low if the unit is burning cleanly with a very bluish flame. This, of course could be verified with a combustion analyzer. We've found CO2 spillage to be a more accurate indicator of leaks. Still, you must follow up on any CO. If you feel the combustion chamber is tight, open it and inspect the burner, orifices, and settings. Ensure everything is to spec. Primary air, manifold pressure, burner alignment, etc. You can smoke bomb test the firebox without the logs installed. This sometimes can show bad leaks in vent pipe. Only once you're certain the unit is installed and operating properly should you consider other possibilities.
These include improper burn-off on new unit, foreign matter touching Fp, aerosols being heated, unit damaged such as rust, and volatiles in proximity to Fp.

New units are coated with mill oils, powder coatings, paint, solvents, silicones, pipe dope, etc,, etc,, which need a good 8-12 hrs min. to burn off if the unit is set on high with the blower off. This is one long burn--not many short burns.

Often, we find something spilled on top of the Fp such as coffee or soda from construction. The Fp makes for the community trash can. We also find sawdust, sheetrock dust, insulation fallen on it, and other stuff that doesn't belong. We often open doghouses just to verify what's inside.

If the header is made of engineered lumber, the formaldehyde or phenol resins can and will offgass causing a pungent odor. If insulation gets wet, the urea formaldehyde in it off gasses. You can read this with a combustible gas sniffer.

One of the toughest to prove is aerosols such as plastic toys, potpourri, Bounce dryer sheets, perfumes and "de-odorizers, carpet fresh, kitchen odors, the beauty salon in the basement or his wood working shop varnishes, lawn chemicals in the attached shed or garage, and many more. I've seen the room directly below the Fp full of more scented crap than a Hallmark store. Also, did you know Renuzit makes "de-odorizers" in various scents? I kid you not!

Anyway, it is a process. I tell homeowners it is rarely one smoking gun causing it but layers of odors and rarely one silver bullet than fixes it.

HTH

Larry Savino

Hello folks My name is larrry and I just spent the night at Dans Dead mans class in Suffern NY last night and thought I would stop by the web site and see whats its about.

I am a Heating and Cooling contractor that recently became invoulved with hearth products about 11 years ago.

Now onto the questions.

I am not familur with the supior model number you have posted,But if you drop me an email with I can help or post it here I am not sure if the other wet heads would find it interesting or not. I can share alot of information with you guys on these gas fired units.


Now as for the person who has a unit that produces no CO

there is a marketing term called
"vent free"
"non vented"
"ventless" any time you here these terms just cut thru the BS and realize they are room vented units,meaning that theby products of burning a fossil fuel are being vented into the living space of your home.Now the claim is that they are so clean burning that they produce no CO but if they are installed incorrectly,maintained improperly they are DEADLY They are not to be installed with a thermostat as a means of turning it on and off. they are not to be installed in sleeping areas. All of the companies I carry have them available but I refuse to sell them

Let me know if you need more information