Used radiators?

Timco

Does ANYONE know who might have a pantry rad 4-sale? (doors in the rad for plates, food) I would like to surpeise my wife and will pay top $$$ and will travel anywhere.

Tim

adambuild

Used Radiators

Anyone know of a business in Northern NJ who buys used radiators for prices higher than scrap ($44.00/ton)? A guy I know is removing about 16 from an old Victorian in Passaic, NJ. Or anyone want to buy, they're pretty ornate, circa 1900?

Thanks, Adam

Bernie Riddle_2

Adam Tell your friend to put them on E-BAY so that someone that appreciates them can enjoy them.

Eric Johnson

check with p/h suppliers

I would check with plumbing/heating supply houses in the area. Some stock used rads and most know somebody who buys/sells them. Your friend might get more than scrap value, plus knowing that a beautiful and useful piece of history will live to heat again.

Hot water rads are worth more than steamers and short ones (that would fit under a window) are worth more than the taller models.

Jim Bennett

Radiators

Check your local yellow pages and see if there are any companies in your area that salvage historic house parts.

William Faust

but I like the look of the steam rads better...

they look more statuesque. That's why I bought one (for steam). Beauty, of course, is in the eye of the beholder.

Apart from aesthetics, Dan H. told me that a hot water rad will make a better radiator than a steam rad IF the hot water rad is fed from the top. The reason offered is that the steam can more quickly throw off its latent heat moving down the sections rather than up. If fed from the bottom, the two rads are ostensibly about equal for steam rad usage.

William Faust

I'm looking...

for a 38" tall approx. 50 EDR Rococo model steam radiator by American Radiator Co. Any of the following combinations would satisfy that height and EDR need: 1) 2 columns with 12 to 13 sections; 2) 3 columns with 9 to 11 sections; and 3) 4 columns with 4 to 5 sections.

Does your friend have any of these rads? If so, are they steam or hot water rads? I would prefer steam to match an existing one in the same room. I am located in Philadelphia, PA, so a drive to Passaic is not far.

Eric Johnson

No top pipe

I agree. The only problem is that some older steam rads don't have a top pipe and thus can't be completely filled or vented for use with water. That's probably why they're less desirable.

I'm using one of those bottom-pipe-only steam rads in my hot water system, but getting it filled and vented properly is more trouble than most people are probably willing to go through. But it's pretty and it sure throws out the heat.

Phil_6

need one

got any pictures and the sizes?

Dave Stroman

I am in the business of salvaging and restoring radiators. I have found that a very high percentage of radiators that have been used with steam have rotted from the inside out and will not hold an air test. It is a shame too, I have thrown away many very nice looking ones because they leak.

Dave in Denver

William Faust

I'm wondering whether...

or not it depends on the operating pressure. My residential system is normally going to run at a 10 oz. cut-out. At what pressure do you test steam-only rads?

Dave Stroman

There is a good chance the a radiator with a small pin hole would never leak when used with steam. Some of the ones I have tested where actually in use in a steam system with no obviouse leaks. But put a 30# air test on them and they do leak. Most of the radiators I deal with are going into a water system. If they do not hold 30#, I do not use them. Seems the leaks are mostly on the bottom between the sections. The ones I have pulled apart have the push nipples rotted out. The casting seems ok. I have had a few where it seems the casting is full of pin holes. Very difficult to find the leaks with soap. I have had to put them under water. Now, that is a pain.

Dave in Denver

Mad Dog_2

I'm with Fred....................................

I have a barn full of ornate rads.....that sit....and sit...for years. Occasionally some takes an interest in a few and they move, but largely, they just sit. When I clean out the barn this spring, I will be auctioning off many of them on The Wall. I will keep just a few really special small ones. When I come across a REALLY unique one, I will still buy them. Finding a home for these old gems is not easy. Ebay may be the best resource. Mad Dog

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BRIANJ

Used Radiators

Adam, If any of the radiators are Richmond 2 pipe steam I would be very interested. I'm only 20 minutes from Passaic. Thanks

Jennifer_7

The right way to Winterize Cast Iron Radiators

Does anyone know where I can find the definitive guide on cast iron radiators? A bad plumber winterized the house I recently bought and because he didnt know what he was doing, four beautiful ornate Victorian radiators burst when we turned the water back on. If not a guide, then perhaps someone knows the right way to turn the heat off in an old house with steamed heat. THANKS!

Gabi Benloulou

Hot water radiator

Please call me and we can better dicuss the details- Gabi at 973-699-3447

Gabi Benloulou

hot water radiators

Please call me to discuss the details - Gabi at 973-699-3447

Gabi Benloulou

Please call me to dicuss the details .Gabi at 973-699-3447

tim smith

Pantry rad

Those are hard to come by, one of our clients picked one up in his travels and had it blasted and painted and put in the kitch. Way cool! Tim. Good luck.

William Faust

the rad that I realy like...

is the Weil McLain Cabinet Raydiant radiator. Shown on pgs. 175 and 176 of Hollohan's book E.D.R., it combines the benefits of cast iron and convector radiators. It looks like a metal radiator cover on three sides, but the metal has tubes that fill with steam. Tucked behind the face and sides of the "cover" is either one or two convectors ("vectants").

I found a small one in my barber shop. Their appearance would go really well with an Arts & Crafts house. I wish that I could find some big ones. I'm posting this separately as well in case anyone out there has some available although I realize that it is unlikely.

BRIANJ

Old Radiatore

I looked at the radiators that Gabi has for sale. All are hot water. Most of them are National Aero's of various sizes and appear to be in good shape. Some of the others may be Rococco. I will bring the EDR book with me to confirm next week. Brian

rob brown

just brought home a 6' today

i also have 3 more in my garage about 5'. these are different tho, they are just identical front and back c.i. sections without the convective elements. very nice looking. only about 5 or 6" thick. rob

William Faust

WM Cabinet Rayidant radiator

A 5" thick (front-to-back) WM Cabinet Rayidant radiator had one convector inside. If that's what you have in a 5' length and each one lacks the convector, here's what you have:

20.5" tall = 26.75 EDR, 23.5" tall = 31.5 EDR, 26.5" tall = 36.25 EDR and 29.5" tall = 41 EDR. These figures are extrapolated from Concealed and Cabinet EDR ratings from Holohan's book "E.D.R." and this should be accurate because only the front panel on the Cabinet was "live" with steam.

For those heights, the single missing convector added 12.75, 14.5, 16.25 and 18 EDR, respectively. I imagine that a convector could be installed if one wanted, but it might be tough. Maybe not worth screwing around with it.

Your comment that the fronts and backs were identical is confusing. A WM image on pg. 176 of "E.D.R." seems to indicate a sheet metal back. Maybe that wasn't actually the case, but that that image was strictly a cut-away that only illustrated the location of the convector.

How tall are each of these rads? Do they still have their top panels? What would you want for a couple of them and where are you located? Can you post a couple of images of front, back and a side?

rob brown

w/m rads

iv'e attached a couple pics. in pic 91& 92 your looking down from the top.its actually double the section of the cabinet rads with a special end section to create a standing style rad. 27" to the bottom of the feet. this ones 70" long. the other 3 are 56". all sheet metal covers intact. i'd really like to know the real edr # for these. this config. isn't shown in dan's book. rob

William Faust

Doesn't look like WM

and have no idea what they are.

rob brown

w/m

says it right in the casting around the tappings. rob

Steamhead (in transit)

Rob & Bill, that's the W-M \"Solray\"

which I believe was a later version of the free-standing version of the Raydiant. The ratings are in the Hydronic Rating Handbook. If you don't have access to a copy, e-mail me the heights, lengths and depths and I'll send you the EDR ratings.

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William Faust

Me thinks that it is...

indeed a WM Cabinet Raydiant. It definitely isn't a Junior Cameo radiator in the "B" width because the Cameos did not have a panel at the top that, as yours does, reveals an open area when removed.

The E.D.R. book indicates that the image shown on pg. 175 is circa 1950. What you have might be something from the following decade or later.

I'm going to pass on your radiators because I'm interested in one that looks like the above-mentioned image. Nonetheless, I sent an email msg. to WM to satisfy my curiosity and I have copied you. If they reply with answers, I'll pass it on to you.

William Faust

Steamhead

I hit "Send" a couple of minutes before I saw your post. I'm curious whether WM's Solray rads were ever made with convectors in them like their Cabinet Raydiant rads?

Steamhead (in transit)

I don't believe so

but as you can see from the openings, they did convect to some degree. The real consideration is whether they will handle the load where you want to put them. You'll know that as soon as we know their EDR ratings.

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rob brown

rads

frank, thanks. i'll e-mail all dimensions tomorrow. and bill, thanks for the interest,but these rads are meeting the next leg of thier destiny by heating my 1950's cape. just waiting for the oil fired air scorcher to die first. gives me plenty of time to get it all piped up. rob

Steamhead (in transit)

Are you building

a steam or Vapor system? Or hot-water?

The Steam Installers Club needs more members...... ;-)

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rob brown

steam

is my first choice. but im kind of thinking that if i design for very low temps, these big rads would keep a mod-con in condensing mode for much if not all of its run time. besides, im already a member of that club rob

Steamhead (in transit)

Didn't know

you'd designed and installed a steam system from scratch! Or maybe I forgot.... what type of system and where is it located?

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rob brown

steam

it was back in the late 80's atlantic city nj. client was an older gent whose converted gravity system had froze and broke while he was out of town. he wanted a system that wouln't be ruined if power went out for a day or so. the co. sold him on a steam system. then under the supervision of a soon to be dead man named john manning, we replaced most of the rads and ran all new piping for a one pipe job.took the better part of a month. john was very sick with cancer and mostly just sat in a chair barking out orders. but he taught me the whole time too. system came out real nice,very quiet and even heat.client loved it,bragged to the whole neiborhood. sadly the whole neiborhood was eminently domained and torn down to make way for the new train station. so my system only lived for about 10 years. rob

Steamhead (in transit)

Did you take

any pics? If so we'd love to see them.

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rob brown

pics

at the time i was young and no idea of the signifigance or i would have. rob

Hvacman

I've got a spare

> is the Weil McLain Cabinet Raydiant radiator.

> Shown on pgs. 175 and 176 of Hollohan's book

> E.D.R., it combines the benefits of cast iron and

> convector radiators. It looks like a metal

> radiator cover on three sides, but the metal has

> tubes that fill with steam. Tucked behind the

> face and sides of the "cover" is either one or

> two convectors ("vectants").

>

> I found a small

> one in my barber shop. Their appearance would go

> really well with an Arts & Crafts house. I wish

> that I could find some big ones. I'm posting this

> separately as well in case anyone out there has

> some available although I realize that it is

> unlikely.



I posted on quite an old thread here: http://forums.invision.net/Thread.cfm?CFID=3540816&CFTOKEN=2a6c23b-83dd5ffd-1a04-49bb-aef3-b3801e946bca&CFApp=2&Thread_ID=14234&mc=5

I have a smallish one available south of Boston.