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It's steamer season ( Ron Jr. )

JaredM
JaredM Member Posts: 57
> And a very rare occurance outside of NYC - this <BR>
> steamer was located in a walk-in basement . No <BR>
> steps . Which was great because it was filthy and <BR>
> heavy . I liked the creative way the equalizer is <BR>
> piped . More like a counterflow system ( it <BR>
> wasn't ) .<BR>
> <BR>
> Notice the oval thing on the top of <BR>
> the boiler . I'm guessing it was some sort of <BR>
> steam drier . The other pic is the return pipe . <BR>
> Totally plugged . Funny thing is the boiler was <BR>
> still running when we ripped her out . <BR>
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  • This beasty was in Great Neck , NY

    And a very rare occurance outside of NYC - this steamer was located in a walk-in basement . No steps . Which was great because it was filthy and heavy . I liked the creative way the equalizer is piped . More like a counterflow system ( it wasn't ) .

    Notice the oval thing on the top of the boiler . I'm guessing it was some sort of steam drier . The other pic is the return pipe . Totally plugged . Funny thing is the boiler was still running when we ripped her out .
  • Norm Harvey
    Norm Harvey Member Posts: 684


    That funky thing looks like an "anti-surge tank" as my dadwould say. Like the ones that TFI makes. Did you cut it in half to check it out? I would love to see a pic of the guts of that thing.

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  • Peerless ECT3

    We reused the auto feeder and the Beckett burner . No drop header ..... this is the town we ran into a bit of code trouble doing that with a Peerless . We did increase the boiler main to 3 inch , which should work as good or better than that fancy steam drier the old boiler had ( and less expensive I presume ) .

    This one was just me and Ken , just like the old days installing steamers in the city . Big dirfference nowadays though - we get home at a decent hour .
  • Didn't cut it open

    We hauled it pretty much as you see it to the curb . One of the guys with a box truck stopped by to pick up the metal .

    I wonder how the cost of an anti-surge tank compares to just increasing the size of the header ?
  • Todd_24
    Todd_24 Member Posts: 9
    Nice Job

    As usual, why the 45's on the sight glass and pigtail?
  • Ummmm .......

    I could BS you like I did with Ken and say there's a perfectly good reason for the 45s on the sight glass ...... Like it stops crud from accumulating on the glass . Or it's for expansion and contraction .

    To put it simply ,I ran out of couplings . And I don't like threading the gauge valves right into the boiler . I normally use brass nips and couplings but I forgot to pick em up .

    The 45 on the pressuretrol tee does really serve a purpose though . Alot of the time the control will lean crooked from front to back off the boiler . With the 45 you can level it out on both sides . Just a pet peeve of mine .

    Thanks alot Todd .
  • Norm Harvey
    Norm Harvey Member Posts: 684


    I'm jealous you get so many steamers.

    Nice job as allways.

    I think I would have gone with a hard nipple from the pump to the filter to give it some stability when changing the filter.

    But jealousy leads to nitpicking I guess hehe

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  • I was thinking

    of hard piping the filter to the burner , but I like the idea of the flare being used as a union of sorts if the strainer needs to be changed . I don't do much service , but it always irked me when I had to maneuver the filter and strainer cover as one piece . That is a good point about stability when changing the cartridge .

    Actually we're only around 10 steamers so far this heating season . Nowhere near Al Corelli's pace . He's neck deep in 'em . Thanks alot Norm .
  • Robert O'Brien
    Robert O'Brien Member Posts: 3,537
    So

    they saved a couple of bucks but no pre-purge or interrupted ignition. Penny-wise and pound foolish. As usual, a great job and I must be the only one who doesn't envy you, a couple steamers a year is plenty for me. A Biasi looks real good to me after humping a 4 section ECT down the stairs!

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  • David Sutton_6
    David Sutton_6 Member Posts: 1,079
    Its a lookin gooda !!

    See i would have taken the bait on the 45° hook line and sinka see'd logical to me ;-)

    Goos Job Ron !!


    David
  • Al Corelli_2
    Al Corelli_2 Member Posts: 395
    Nice Work!

    Beautiful job, Ron. I like the header. I even like the 45s.

    You're right, We've done seven steamers in the last 7 days, with a 3 zone V85 thrown in for good measure.

    Don't worry Norm, I won't post pictures, although all came out real nice with dropped 3 inch headers and proper pitch. I'll lose money on every job to make you happy. :) Make sure you see the smiley.

    Back to the basement. We're working on the shop boiler tonight as we don't have time during the day.

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  • adambuild
    adambuild Member Posts: 413
    Beuatiful!

    Great job! I am curious though, we just did en ECT-05 and we were told by the rep and the manual also confirmed that you must use a Hydrolevel 450 or the warranty will not be honored as any other LWCO will see foam as water and provide disasterous results.

    Adam
  • Norm Harvey
    Norm Harvey Member Posts: 684


    Hell Al, I'm starving to do a steamer so bad I WOULD pay money to do one. hehe.

    I have a homeowner that wants a Megasteam in the spring, and I'm thinking about piping the boiler with headers up in my basement just to get my fix!



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  • Al Corelli_2
    Al Corelli_2 Member Posts: 395
    C'Mon DOWN, Norm!

    We can always use your expertise and assistance.

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  • JaredM
    JaredM Member Posts: 57
    \"Drier\"

    The thing on top of the boiler came with the boiler from Slant Fin. serves the same purpose as an oversized header, slow the steam down and let the condensate fall out, just like a drier.

    We seem to have our fair share of that Slant Fin boiler around here.

    -Jared

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  • eburke_52
    eburke_52 Member Posts: 1


    Would 45's stop crud from accumulating on the glass? ed
  • Patchogue Phil_29
    Patchogue Phil_29 Member Posts: 121
    Hey Ron

    I sent you an email early last week. Have you been away? Or did it get snagged in your spam filters?

    Phil
  • Sorry about that

    Things are going nutty around here and I let the email count go into the hundreds again . Spam really sucks . I'll drop you an email tonight .
  • I didn't know

    the boiler was a Slant Fin . I always forget to look at the rating plate . It was the 1st of that type I've seen . Was the drier really a standard item with these boilers ? Was the 3/4 copper pipe out of the bottom of the drier some sort of equalizer , or a drain ?
  • Probably

    not .

    Good and clean boiler water would though . Since that day I stocked up on a bunch of 1/2 inch stuff .
  • Yep

    I was all set to trash the burner till Kenny reminded me we were reusing it . As it was we threw on a new tube and it fired nice . But a new burner , even a new primary , woulda been the best option .

    Don't tell me you're moving EC-4s still ? I can't slide them off the back of the van without back pain for a few days . Thanks alot Robert .
  • It was either

    the 45s or ells . Maybe even tees and plugs . With just the 2 of us and being in Great Neck ( Gold Coast territory ) , we had to use what was on hand .

    Thanks Dave . Any new steamers for you lately ?
  • 7 in 7 ?

    What are you , a piping machine ? You're pace of installs makes me look like I'm in slo-mo .

    Thanks alot Al . Post some pics of the shop boiler when it's done .
  • Hey Adam

    You know , I think I remember hearing something about that last year . Is it in the literature ? I'll have to download the manual from their website . I haven't read the EC instructions in years . Thanks for the compliment and the heads-up .
  • Patchogue Phil_29
    Patchogue Phil_29 Member Posts: 121
    No worries

    No worries. Figured you might be real bizzy.

    Just wanted to make sure you got it.
  • Al Corelli_2
    Al Corelli_2 Member Posts: 395
    Our Pace

    The shop boiler is unfortunately an "aborted fetus" complete with rusty coat hangers. It belongs to the landlord, and we just "fix what's broke". We were getting to some rotted near boiler return lines, and a stuck condensate pump.

    I think poor Norm would have a fit if he saw that. :)

    This week is no slower. Convert a snowmelt system from junk to injection mixing with a SnoPro411, a V84 Steamer connected to an existing Amtrol "Blue Bomb", a T80 Munchkin w/45 gallon SuperStor, to tomorrow's replacement of a Smith 8-5W with a properly sized V85 Burnham. The Smith was installed correctly (pumping away, good zones, etc), so we are gonna make the hot swap. Plus we're adding a 60 gallon SuperStor and removing a 75 gallon water heater.

    Yes, I am on EVERY job, directing the piping, doing the wiring and oil lines, and dressing the boiler. My guys do the wrenching and copper work to my/oil company's/manufacturer's specs.

    Oh yeah, I also do all the heating service calls.

    This weather is a Godsend to us. I'll NEVER complain about being busy.

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  • John L
    John L Member Posts: 118
    I'm just trying to educate

    myself, so therefore I'm not being disrespectful with this question, so please bear with me. I've read in other posts here that mention about using copper pipng on steam boiler jobs, and I noticed that there is more copper piping on this job than there was before. Can you enlighten on this. Again, to repeat this is not a criticism but a quest for knowledge.
    Thanks,
    John L
  • brucewo1b
    brucewo1b Member Posts: 638
    That is because

    most of he copper is in the domestic water side, and the rest that I see is below the waterline, You do not want any steam carrying pipes done in copper, however some believe that even below waterline pipes should be in copper, and usually domestic in copper, never black.
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