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Bill Nye_2

Is there a draft regulator installed? between the boiler and the power vent. I think the P.V. may be pulling too much draft. Is the post purge timing long enough, aprox two minutes?

Yes the insertion depth is ok. These boiler have no refractory and on some Viessmanns the insertion may be 3 or 4 inches or more. This is to get the flame to go the length of the boiler and not take a shortcut to the flue.

The crack on the door is allright. It , the burner, does need to be set up with combustion testing equipment.

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Rodney Summers

hi guys i have a tech coming next week to clean and service my boiler. i wanted to show you guys the inside of my boiler after the first year and let me know if the red is normal also the cracks on the door is that normal.

also this boiler is power vented

thanks

Ted_9

set up

Did the installer even set this up? Just asking.

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Rodney Summers

i guess he did i am have a guy that Alan R. Mercurio suggested to me to service me every year. ted dose it look bad?

the boiler is now 1 year old on January

Mark Hunt

I've seen much worse


I am sure that the tech that Alan sent your way will have it tuned up and running just fine when he is done.

No worries.

Could you post some pics of the near boiler piping and the flue??

Mark H

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Rodney Summers

wow thanks mark you had me worried. so by the way it looks it was not set up right bad combustion? because of the soot?

also dose it look like the boiler is damaged at all with the white powder stuck to it?

i will get pictures right now for you.

Ted_9

bad?

well,I've seen alot better in the first year. It looks like it may not be running right. I am no oil expert, but I'm sure Al recommended a very good oil Pro.

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Steve_35

Looks like the burner is inserted a bit too far into

the combustion chamber. Other than that it doesn't look too bad.

Mark Hunt

Yah


It looks like the original set up may not have been up to par.

Post the pics when you can.

Merry Christmas!

Mark H

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Rodney Summers

as long as you all see no damage i can sleep tonight :-)
thank you all so much and happy Holidays to you all
i am going down stairs to get you my piping pictures

Rodney Summers

guys i know it looks like crap the company did not do a nice job the tech must have been jeloius that i have a nice system.

i had to put a spirovent in myself after words because the system had air in it.

also on the panel the first pump i put on this year it's my new baseboard loop.

the next one is the pump for the air handler i don't use it anymore for heating so it will be gone next year

the next one is my baseboard zone for the other side of my house and the last pump is for my dhw tank.

this spring i am taking down that whole manifold and i am making a new one with one pump it will be a home run style
for each room. and one pump for dhw

i will make it look much nicer then it is now and this year i am getting the bfu room sensor on Monday from my supply house and i will put both pumps on constant circulation.

but Waite till you guys see how well i can solder :-)
and see how nice this new setup will be this summer :-)
clean and neat and straight :-)youll want to hire me :-)

thank you

Mark Hunt

This unit is


power vented?

Mark H

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Rodney Summers

yes it is power vented

Unknown

OK


As I said, if Alan recommends the fellow coming to do the service, you'll be just fine.

Merry Christmas Rooster!

Mark H

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Rodney Summers

thanks so much mark happy holidays to you also :-)

I'm just glad there was no damage from this improper setup
and when Allen's friend is done i may safe some oil :-)compared to last year

Cosmo_3

Don't get your hopes up

Althought the possibility is there that the combustion can be cleaned up more, this burner was not excessively sooting. I would also look into making sure there is enough makeup air coming into the basement when all the bathroom exhaust fans, dryer, and kitchen exhaust fan are on. Sometimes a perfectly tuned up burner soots because of other changes in the building envelope as far as positive/negative air pressure compared to outside.

Alan I am sure will take care of you as far as finding a knowledgable technician for you.

Merry Christmas

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Steve_35

If you're going to redo the manifold, a suggestion if I may.

Use isolation circ flanges. Makes changing a circ MUCH easier.

Rodney Summers

yes pitman that's one thing i am going to use the watts ipf

and the grundfos 15-58 one speed 2

thanks

Leo

Buderus

This is typical for a Buderus, some run slightly cleaner but many look like this. They brush out and clean up easily. Someone mentioned the burner insertion, again typical for the Buderus, it is pre-set. Once the new guy sets it the burner should run at it's best.


Leo

Robert O'Connor_8

Buderus

has some specs for the 115 that call for the Riello to be inserted past the face of the door refractory like material.

All the best

Robert

ME

Steve_35

Don't quite agree here, Leo.

Buderus defaults to the burner manufacturer's requirements for installation of the burner. Riello calls for 1/4" recess. Looks to me like that burner's inserted about an inch into the combustion chamber. Granted it's not going to cause the problems it would with a refractory combustion chamber but it's not right.

Robert O'Connor_8

Pitman9

Wrong ..... They (Buderus) have some specs that call this out

Call Buderus if your confused on this point

Did you figure out how Riello's prove spark yet?

All the best

Robert

Steve_35

I will be calling Buderus, Robert.

We've installed quite a few of these units. Buderus' manual states "Follow burner manufacturers recommendation
regarding installation, fine tuning and maintenance
procedures."

Riello's instructions state "A visual verification of the air tube insertion into the combustion chamber of the heating unit is suggested. Dimension B should be at least 1/4.”

Perhaps Buderus has some requirement that's not in their installation manuals, but that's all I have to go by at this time.

Leo

Hey Pitman,

It seems different Buderus models call for different insertion dimensions. I have seen some extended and some not. The Buderus models with the extended tube are the only boilers I have ever seen this way.

Leo

Robert O'Connor_8

It

can be very confusing. Buderus 115 specs regarding insertion depth, nozzle and pump pressures have been changed quite a few times.

All the best

Robert

ME

Rodney Summers

hi bill this is what is installed. click here

i was going to clean and vacuum the boiler yesterday but i wanted to Waite to show my new service tech.

thanks

Leo

Roosterboy

Roosterboy,

As a tech I prefer the unit to not be vacuumed so I can see what has been going on. Plus part of what you are paying for is me to vac it out.

Leo

Rodney Summers

thanks Leo yea i did not vacuum it so he can see whats wrong :-) from now on i will never open it again. the only thing I'm doing with the boiler is making a new manifold
with a home run.

when it comes to burner adjustments and cleaning my new tech will do it.

thanks

Joe Grosso

Buderus

I agree with Leo. I think it looks good for a Buderus. They will never run 100% clean due to the design. However, they are cleaned easily in minutes.Also, they never scale up either.

John Rogers

Taco is fine

Not sure why you would want to install isolation flanges and change those perfectly fine circulators, you already have enough ball valves, it's not like you house is huge. .Don't waste your money and time on repiping, and for gods sake do not vaccum the soot without using a soot vac.Close the door to the burner and step away and let a pro clean and service it, if you have to do something then put the pipe insulation on properly and get some nice black paint on the black iron pipe.

Rodney Summers

thanks John

Cosmo_3

Hey Rooster

I noticed in a later post you said that you have a barometric draft damper installed. Why? As far as I can tell you have a direct vent kit installed on your boiler. If you are venting out the side wall, there is no barometric damper required, as the exhaust vent is under positive pressure...

Unless you are referring to the combustion air inlet vacuum breaker. This would be a Field RC damper, however it is only 4" Dia, and is used as a vacuum break to let air in if the outside fresh air inlet gets clogged. The best place to install this is as soon as the combustion air inlet pipe enters the building space. This will let some warm tempered air in the pipe to help warm up the combustion air, which will help the oil thru the nozzle atomize a little better for cleaner starts, and burner operation.

Looks to me your money is best spent on insulation throughout the house, etc. Boiler piping does not have to be pretty to work well. But that is your call, I have already taken apart a job I had put in under emergency conditions deep in winter on a apartment rental. I went back this past summer and re-did the job to look nice. Of course that was only because I wanted to sell it and made the time to do it...unlike in my house I live in, you know how it is with the cobblers family that has no shoes? It might not be as pretty but it gets the job done efficiently!!!!!


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steve_93

Insertion depths for Riellos on Buderus' can be up to 10"...

Most packages come preset as to insertion depths.

Doesn't look as though you have a major problem with your burn... it's very common to see them as yours is.

Only problem I see is your air eliminator should have been installed between your boiler and pumps.

I personally like Vortex's with the feed and expansion tank mounted underneath.

Rodney Summers

hi Steve i do have the spirovent before the pumps and drops down to the expansion tank it's a Honeywell
thanks