CSD-1 Form?

Josh M.

I do factory start ups for a rep., and I fill out about 5 of these a week so I typed it up into a word document...

S Ebels

CSD-1 form ?

Anyone know where I can download a copy of a CSD-1 boiler inspection form? Gotta do a boiler inspection for gov't owned building and they want all the correct forms to show the boiler inspector.

BTW the system sounds like a classic overengineered piece of added on/scabbed in/remodeled nightmare. Steam to water HX's for fan coils and hot water fin tube, some standing iron steam rads plus some standing iron hot water. All kinds of stuff going on and their gas bills are enormicous! They wonder why? We'll find out.

Ross_7

CSD-1

Hey Steve,
Ask the boiler inspector, if you need a copy. That's usually what I do here in Marquette, if I don't have one with me.

don_52

CSD-1 Survey Form

Steve,

Yeah, by rights the "inspector" should supply these?

Here's an unofficial / generic form with chap./ref's,
notes and sketch.

HTH, Regards, db

Josh M.

Take it from someone who does this alot. It is NOT the inspectors responsibility to provide these. If you will note it requires signatures of the start up rep. and the installing contractor. The form is there as an affidavit of sorts that you did in fact test all of the safety devices, and that the boiler meets code.

don_52

Okay Josh...

I,ll take your word for it, notice the ? mark at the
end of that sentence though.

Usually don't get involved with "heating boilers" if I
do they're two or three 50kPPH and up, full meter, cross limited, controlled by a DCS, see this at pharmaceutical and food plants, sometimes WWT, yet not as a steady diet.

I do refining/chemical/power work (E&IC), by the time an
inspector shows up we've been through construction,
commissioning and startup, long gone.

That said, there are many types of combustion systems I
do get involved with on a regular basis, such as, tube
(process) heaters, waste gas incinerators, recuperative
and regeneative scrubbers and the like. They as well
are controlled "by other means".

These type systems generally aren't very large and are
very similar in scope and design to CSD, yet in either
case I never see an inspector let alone a heating contractor.

Just a different scope of work in a different industry,
yet all the component parts follow the same philosophy.

db

Josh M.

DB, I wasn't being pugnacious. Sorry. I do deal with this alot though. By the way who do you work for? I do alot of the same type of work you do. 50PPH is right up my alley too.

Ross_7

Inspectors

I didn't mean that it was the inspector's responsibility to provide the CSD-1 Sheets. I just menat if you were in a pinch, that they would have them available.
Ross

don_52

Work for different folks....

every job, been job shopping and independant for the past 18 out of 28, sometimes its for a project, sometimes inhouse
design/build projects with a healthy dose of day to day
maintenance ond ops, just depends on the client.

Soup to nuts, (with emphasis on the nuts part)spec,,design, build, commission, startup, maintenance and operations.

Dying breed I guess, I like to work for clients with a
specific goal in mind, my personal philosopy is "if I can't
work myself out of this job then I haven't done my job.

The wrench never got too far from the keyboard...

email me at my reply to, it's real we'll chat.

Regards, db

S Ebels

Thanks guys

Just got back from the inspection. Had a couple question marks that I noted on the form but all and all, a pretty well maintained old Kewanee firing at 2.1 MBH. Talking with the old maint guy revealed a person that really cares about what he does. He's taken the time to get educated on water quality and treatments and the old boiler shows it. I am literally scared to think of the day when the old beastie gives up for good though. The building has been added on to all the way around the boiler room including a second story. Cutting it in little 2x2' squares and carrying the whole thing out would be the only way to remove it. I have no idea how a person would ever get another one in that boiler room. I brought the digital camera and discovered that my dear bride had taken the chip out to get pictures developed so I'll have to get pics some other time.

BTW, the burner on the old girl said Kewanee on the data tag. Was this actually made by them or private labeled by another mnfr'?

Josh M.

Steve, I believe those burners were made by Gordon Piatt. I work on a ton of GP's and the old Kewanee burners are identicle to the R and S burners.

S Ebels

Is there a \"Grandfather\" clause

This old boiler has no manual reset for the high limit control. The same state boiler inspector has been looking in on this thing for the last 10-12 years and the maint guy said he never brought it up. I noted the lack of a manual reset on the sheet I filled out but I don't know if the current code applies to previously installed or existing boilers. So, is it exempt becasue of age?

Also noticed that the piping layout for the "header" where the pressure-trols are installed is set up like a trap. Any water or condensate that gets in the pipe below the pressre-trols is going to stay there until manually removed. Is that right? Didn't look right to me and usually, if it doesn't look right, it's not right.

Josh M.

Steve, the water trap is there to prevent steam from getting to the pressuretrol. It should be flushed about every month by ASME recommendations. Usually boilers are grandfathered in year after year, however if you make one change to the controls or alter the boiler in any way you are required to bring the whole thing up the CSD-1 or the local governing code.

S Ebels

Gotcha

It's indeed meant to be a trap as there are no pigtails underneath the controls.