CSST lawsuit

JimH

It's a pretty interesting article... perforations resulting
from lightning strikes. The company insists it's still a
safe product if you follow their directions. A hit to a
nearby structure can cause perforation.

Here's a link to Gastite's recommended bonding procedure:

http://www.gastite.com/include/languages/english/downloads/pdfs/TB2007_01.pdf

-JimH

JimH

CSST a problem with lightning

Anybody heard of problems with CSST and lightning? I didn't
know that special bonding (grounding) is required.

Here's a link to a news story on the lawsuit:

http://www.charlestonbusiness.com/pub/13_1/news/8415-1.html

I'm just a regular Joe homeowner... should I insist on black iron when I have my boiler replaced? I've had iron
for decades and my house hasn't even blown up once.

-JimH

lchmb

csst

Jim I would say if your more comfortable with black iron then use that. It's easier to have it done now then worry at night about what if's. I have used alot of csst and have never heard of one of my install's being struck by lightening. But it's your comfort and your money so do what make's you feel the best...IMHO..

dave_88

i have seen lightening damage

got a call for a inside gas odor call.
found gas blowing in the basement.
shut gas off outside .
found csst laying on top of a copper water line in the basement by the floor joists.
lightening hit the house earlier that day.
the csst contacting the copper water pipe had a scorched yellow wrapping and a 1/2 '' hole in it.
copper water pipe was used as the earth ground by sparky.
that was a close call.

Tim P._2

Bonding is in gastite's instructions. Anybody who installs gastite should have bonded it.

I would expect that the installer would be held responsible for any damages and a civil suit for negligence would follow.

Tim

gerry gill

where does the other end

of the wire get attached? does it go to a water pipe? earth ground rod?

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Tim P._2

from the Gastite instructions, "..at the electric service, the grounding electrode conductor (when of sufficient size), or to one or more of the electrodes used"

In other words, you may bond it at the electric panelboard, at the grounding electrode (those 8' copper plated rods the electrician pounds into the ground), or the wire that connects the electric panel to the electrodes.

Tim

Chris C_2

csst

JimH if you are worried about csst then use track pipe lighting control csst and make sure your installer is CETP cert. or licensed by the state you live in.

JimH

?

I googled "track pipe lighting control", and came up
with ads for model race cars and cd burners. CETP seems
to be a propane industry training program. Not sure
if urban installers who work with NG will have been
exposed to this, but I'll ask.

thanks,
-JimH

chris_86

Csst,...

Is a cheap product that has so many restrictions on its use only a competent and well insured installer should even contemplate its use? And then why would a competent concerned installer be using it for anyways? This is a perfect example of the legal ability of manufacturers and a strong industry lobby to get laws and codes changed for their own benefit and no one else. It is a time bomb when you run it thru existing crawl spaces and wall cavities, one of its major selling points! We or anyone can see for themselves the amount of force just one nail can have on the tubing,...just slightly the most delicate of force required to push a small object thru the side wall, try it before you jump all over me!!! And of course all of you will point out how no one ever renovates and makes sure this material isn’t laying behind the wall, right, no one ever renovates do they!!!!! Never mind the stuff expands and contracts imagine that over a sharp object!!! Sched. 40 iron pipe and it's tooo bad if it doesn’t turn corners, but this stuff is like a sign saying jackleg and fast installs are more important than safety. I am sure like asbestos, formaldehyde foam, and some other products we will have a growth industry removing this stuff after the first well publicized explosion. Of course it has already happened but the savvy lawyers wrote into the settlement a non-disclosure agreement, for the bereaved's benefit no doubt!!!