CO story with a HUGE lie in it

Rudy_4

Here is another article with a bunch of inaccurate and/or misleading statements.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/ActionLineStory.asp?ID=070202_Ac_A10_Check16520#

Mark Hunt

not kidding


I posted earlier about bad info from the media, and here is the kicker.

Alarms sound at 30ppm????? Read this! UL 2034 FORBIDS an alarm from sounding at that level! FORBIDS IT!!!!!!!!! If an alarm sounds at 30ppm, THEY FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!

Read this story.

This is what I am talking about. The people that are supposed to know................don't know.

Mark H

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Steamhead (in transit)

That is one reason

why I cancelled my subscription to the Baltimore Sun. The National Enquirer is better researched and written.

Notice how there is no mention of the CO source, even to say they don't know?

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Bob Harper

flat rate

The implication here is that anytime you get 30 ppm as in a sudden puff, it will sound like a smoke alarm. No mention of time averaging. Should have addressed the cumulative effects of poisoning and the fact that all poisoning is a matter or dose over time.
Another big miss was the cause and what could have prevented the CO from being generated first and escaping into the home second.

A whole another can of worms is calibration. When you read such stories with CO levels reported, you have to ask yourself when is the last time that analyzer was calibrated. Just another piece left out of the puzzle.

John R. Hall

Mark

Get in touch with the reporter and let us know what he says. Thanks.

Mark Hunt

Yes Bob


and it is a lie, an untruth, a statement completely without fact. This is an ex parrot!

But people read it and think that it is true!

Firing off e-mails now. The statement will NEVER be retracted. The reporter will stand behind the info given by the "expert".

UL2034 FORBIDS, I say again, FORBIDS an alarm from sounding below 70ppm.

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One step forward three steps back!

Mark H

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Mark Hunt

I did


"Regarding the Carbon Monoxide poisoning story by Dan Lamothe, he made quite the mistake when he wrote, "A reading of 30 parts per million typically sets off a detector's alarm.". In fact, a UL listed alarm is FORBIDDEN to sound at any level BELOW 70ppm. UL2034 clearly explains this. Mr. Lamothe just told every one that owns a UL listed device that it will alarm at much lower levels than it will. FYI, a UL listed CO alarm offers protection to healthy, middle-aged adults only. READ THE MANUAL! UL2034 allows an alarm to wait 4 hours before it sounds an alarm at 70 ppm CO. By that time your kids are in a hyperbaric chamber and they will be lucky if they remember who you are.

CO is THE #1 cause of accidental poisoning deaths in North America. FACT! If the reporter wants to learn more about CO poisoning, I would be happy to supply him/her with the correct information. My e-mail address was entered."

That is what I sent the reporter. Will they respond???

Probably not. No-one died.

Mark H



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Brad White

I quit

reading the Baltimore Sun when H.L. Mencken died

Mark Hunt

Gald to say I was wrong!


The reporter DID respond.



Made my day!

Mark H


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Mark Hunt

Again


The reporter has e-mailed me a few times today and even asked me to review her correction.

I pre-judged and I was ABSOLUTELY wrong.

The correction will appear soon and she did a good job with it.

I will now put on the necklace of shame.

Mark H

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jp_2

mark or larry

i thought I read the other day that the OSHA limit is 25 ppm?

wish i remember where i read that?

Perry_3

People make mistakes ... that is not the problem

Mistakes happen, we all make them.

What separates the good people from the bad people is how they react when they learn they made a mistake.

Sounds like the Paper and the reporter is responding appropriately.

Sounds like you are too.

Welcome to the good side of humanity

Perry

Maine Doug_52

based on past

responses of publications, your assumption of no response was valid. one 'oh sht' does not undo all the 'atta boys' you have collected. i am in baltimore recovering from surgery and have been reading the paper. the city is running about one murder per day including killing cops.

you are competing against some nasty stuff for attention and you managed to get a response. feel good about it, lots of education may result.

Dave Yates (GrandPAH)_1

OSHA

Last I read, it was 40-PPM for 8-hours in the work place for max exposure.

Larry (from OSHA)

it depends

I just love saying that! "It depends" just happens to be OSHA's favorite reply just like some folks here!

The federal OSHA limit for CO exposure over an 8 hour time frame is 50 ppm. Here in Minnesota, in general industry it's 35 ppm and in construction the 8 hour limit is 50 ppm. (construction guys are just less affected by CO I guess)

I would suspect that various states that have their own OSHA could be either of those. Here the 5 minute limit is 200 ppm.

I was just in a place yesterday that was about 28 ppm but was most likely from the out of tune forklifts moving about. I did get a chance to point out the creative venting on a 30 gallon water heater and what that could lead to. The vent was up, angled down then up and sideways into I'm not sure what. You've seen those before. Also gave them the hint that there needs to be a pipe going to near the floor from the t&p.

Hey Mark, I'm glad they got back to you. It's good to have something or someone "make your day"

Larry

John R. Hall

Mark

I heard back from a reporter that I questioned and she agreed with me 100%. I pressed her further for running a clarification and she said her bosses are considering the next move right now. We'll see.

Larry (from OSHA)

Thanks Brad

gave me a good chuckle.

H.L. Mencken - another guy with an attitude.

Larry

jp_2

I REMEMBER!!!!

I read that on a MSDS sheet/web page!

I guess different industries have their own opinion as to what is safe.

jp_2

Mark

i looked at a walmart Kidde last night, the package reads 30-??? ppm i don't remember the high number, BUT it said will not alarm until the 70ppm for an hour or something?

would be interesting to see if they actually read down to 30ppm?

Mark Hunt

I believe


that they are not allowed to display below 30ppm and unless you are looking at the alarm when it displays, you will not know.

I just read a story about a woman that was killed by CO in her apartment. CO level of 1000ppm and 450ppm in the apartment above. The woman's pets survived, including her bird. She had called the fire department earlier in the week complaining of a gas odor. Fire department found nothing wrong. The woman's body was discovered after other tenants complained of an odor as well. (Not decomposition)

Typical to most CO stories, the reporter wrote that CO is not deadly until the levels get past 100ppm.

Mark H

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Mark Hunt

Saw that one too Rudy


sensory over-load this week.

Was at a home yesterday to look at a steam boiler and noticed that the flue pipe to the water heater was disconnected. Another contractor walked right by it earlier in the week. He also did not notice that the flue pipe for the boiler had holes rotted thorugh it from flue gas condensation. But he's a PRO right?

My combustable gas sniffer needs fixed. Who do I call?

Mark H

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Maine Doug_52

No flue

The row home my son bought in Baltimore had no flue onn the water heater.

Larry (from OSHA)

But there is hope

Last night's tv news had a story on CO that was the most accurate that I've heard. (not perfect but...) Talked about UL listed devices and what they will and won't do. Showed a CO Experts alarm and how to get one.

All in all, most definitely a step in the right direction.

This link goes to the story, video and other good resources on CO.

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_032160912.html

Larry

mikea23

ANYONE THAT TRUSTS THE MEDIA STORYS IN TODAYS WORLD ARE JUST CRAZY MOST ARE ALL ONE SIDED OR JUST PLAIN FABRICATION

Bob Harper

CO Experts ice storm damage

George Kerr had his shed collapse so he's really backed up for filling orders on his CO Experts alarms. Guy is sitting on over $1 million in orders he can't fill and his barn collapsed and keeps losing power. If anyone lives out near him, sounds like he could use a friend right now.
Bob

Mark Hunt

If you have never met George


you ought to.

Anyone that was at ISH in Chicago had the opportunity. He was there. FREAKIN' AWESOME GUY! I do not impress easily.

The man invented something that SAVES lives.

Wish I was closer, I'd be there.

Thanks for the info Bob!

Mark H

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John R. Hall

My CO heroes?

Mark Hunt

George Kerr

Jim Davis

Rudy Leatherman

George Lanthier

Timmie McElwain

Bill Spohn

Everyone else who tests and ensures the safety of all home and building owners.