China crap

soot_seeker_6

imagine my surprise when i spent a few bucks on a sony brand boom-box many years ago because i wanted japanese audio hardware & not the chinese stuff.

surprise, even the sony stuff was already 'made in china'.

nowadays, working with a bunch of microprocessor based control type hardware, i find the best quality stuff coming out of taiwan & thailand - just superb. the chinese stuff (mostly lcd graphix displays) are pretty good as well.

things do change given time.

soot

Rich_39

Anything made in the U.S.A any more. The more i look around my house the more i see made in china. It,s hard to find things made in the good ol U.S.A. What a shame.

Ted_9

price

OK, great point but are Americans willing to pay alot more for the things they want or need?

Massachusetts

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DanHolohan

Rich,

who bought all that stuff in your house?

bordy

I guess all boilers will be made in China soon.

Rich_39

My wife and kids buy all the junk in my house

gerry gill

i know..

i recently paid twice as much for a box of radiator valves from state supply because their catalog said they were made in U.S.A. hammond valves..what arrived was hammond valves made in indonesia..i was really pissed off..i could have paid less for tiawan valves from the local joint..so i ended up paying four times as much for special order marsh company valves..but i got what i wanted and will just pass the cost on to the consumer..

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Rich_39

If the big corps dident out source to other countrys there wood be more jobs in the U.S.A. Then we may be able to pay for the good stuff.

Leo

My boss told me

My boss told me one of the supply houses he deals with only sold American fittings. They held out until their sales of fittings dropped to almost nothing. Now they offer both foreign and domestic. The bulk of the guys going to supply houses don't come to sites like this.

On another note my new Toshiba Lap Top says a product of China on the box. I thought Toshiba was Japanese.

Leo

Rich Kontny_3

Chinese

As with the Japanese and the Germans it is much better to have the Chinese as trading partners versus adversaries.The low wages always attract manufacturers attention and have fueled globalization (along with this keyboard device)

The Germans always were leaders in quality while the Japanese gradually made inroads through the auto and electronic industries.The quality of Chinese products will increase when the consumer(s) demands it.

The Chinese industrial might is currently at the crossroads with over burdened infrastructure and severe industrial related pollution. These issues have to be addressed along with higher consumer quality demands.

In the early 70s Toyota and Nissan were considered cheap foreign junk.Recently Nissan was considered as a possible partner of General Motors.As China itself becomes a consumer nation it's quality of life will improve just as the Japanese,South Koreans and others have!

Time will tell!

MP1969

S Ebels

Rich

It doesn't work that way. If the big corporations didn't provide those products at those price points, they'd be out of business very very quickly. Commodity type merchandise quickly becomes a relentless drive toward the lowest price possible. It's always been that way and it always will.

Empire_2

Don't Forget????

USA Say's and I repeat. CHINA is the UAS's most active trading partner,....WHY? China has the Assume title as "Favored Trading Nation Status". Nice Huh?

Mike T.

GW

shame

What a small brain we possess on occasion. Must you paint the world with such a broken paint brush? The next time you come across a Chinese person, ask him what doctorate he or she has.

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Leo G_99

actually

Canada still has the position of the biggest trading partner with the US. But maybe not for much longer....

Leo G

Leo

It's not a question

It's not a question of painting the world with a broken brush. It is the greed of our big companies taking jobs from this country and bringing them to another country, then raping that country. We lost jobs to Japan, they lost jobs to China. I just read China is going through pollution problems as a by product of industry. As this country cleaned up it's pollution it lost it's jobs.

Leo

Rob_36

"Chinese as trading partners versus adversaries"

Trading partner would imply a 2 way street. Our 400 billion dollar trade deficit with China is very one sided. I recall a few years ago China forced down a surveillance plane of ours and held the crew and plane. I considered this and many other words and deeds from China to be quite adversarial.

Maybe if we continue to grow that trade deficit into the trillions, they'll like us so much that they'll give up on any thoughts of reclaiming Taiwan as they're own. Then we won't have to aid Taiwan as we've promised. That will be swell.

I'm not there so I certainly don't profess to knowing exactly what goes on inside China, but I hear enough about Christian persecution, and see enough of our manufacturing base relocating there, to make me boycott their products. Maybe its just me, but I don't put a lot of trust in Communism.

Rob.

GW

yes


I just get a chuckle when I hear "China crap"; as if China can't make the stuff as good as anyone else. The reason the cheap stuff is sold here is because we buy it! Whose fault is that, China's? If we all work for half price, I bet that would make the problem go away.

I'm not educated in any capacity when it comes to world economics, but look at the people that got hosed by Enron; that was a good ole home cooked screwing!

And for goodness sakes, if you're going to criticize another culture and part of the world, at least run your post through a spell-check; it's embarrassing!


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Unknown

black ftgs.

the only problem i've seen with "china crap" are black iron fittings, indonesian and thai ones seem to have accurate tappings but forget about making a header out of chinese tees, unless you don't care if it looks like a prize taco. (mexican ones are just as bad)

Arthur

China

Perhaps the Chinese have learned what the Japanese taught the world years ago, That they may have lost the 2nd world war but have won by Trade and economics, Just history repeating itself again.
Who took over the auto world? the 2 countries which lost the war Germany and Japan.
China doesn't want to go to war but as they learn the lesson The Japanese taught them that by trade they can win the war.
The US is like most other western countries up to their eye balls in debt,
Remember if you owe some one money are you really your own boss?
Make no mistake I don't like the Chinese junk any more than anyone else but if you don't use it some one else will.

Supply House Rick

China

Is where you have to go to buy American Products!

Tony_23

you mean

the 85 degree ells ?

Tony_23

you mean

the 85 degree ells ?

Tony_23

do you mean?

The 85 degree ells ? EVERY one in the box was the same.

jim_57

I bought some valves at my local supply house a few years ago, name brand valves, made in Mexico. They looked and felt better than the same valve made in USA. Some of the best brass stuff seems to come from Italy.

Rudy

At the risk of sounding like shameless self promotion...

In answer to your question "Is anything made in the US?" -- all Bacharach combustion analyzers are - even the circuit boards.

Interesting, a couple of weeks ago I was at the plant, spoke with the woman who makes the wet kits - found out she has been making them for over 40 years - probably made the one I purchased in 1980!!

GW

maybe

maybe she can tell my tech why his analyzer's pump keeps acting up. He grabs mine and then IT starts acting up. I don't think Bacharach like my heating tech!

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Rudy

Nope

All she does is the shaker bottles.

If you are having a problem with a pump, call me!!

These things are real easy to pop open and figure out what is going on.

412-576-1350

JoeV_2

My wife inherited her parents house. As we went through their things we noticed something interesting. Every stick of furniture,appliance,tool,cookware said made in the USA. It struck us that this stuff was 50-60 years old and still worked perfectly well. And they saved all the original packaging too, I guess in case they have to return it. But, it all works. TV by RCA, stereo by Scott. It's like a museum.

The old man was a plumber/carpenter who has installed dozens of boiler systems after WWII. His tools and fittings are ancient and numerous. I recently found a mercury thermometer that will screw into a 1/2 or 3/4" fitting and measures up to 300 degrees. I will put it in my future header in his memory.

Unknown

but trade is what is killing communism there. Do we really need to try to speed it up with a war? Buy them off, it works. Once people have something to lose, they typically calm down a little bit. It's desparate people, and desparate countries, that you have to fear.