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Burnham has tested Beckett gas burners in oil-fired boilers

SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 9,202Member ✭✭✭✭
Folks, I didn't believe it either. But here it is, straight from Beckett:



http://www.beckettcorp.com/cg4apps/SpecGuide_CG4.pdf



At the moment, only certain V-8 and MPO boilers are on the list.



The question is, why did they say using anyone's gas burners in these boilers voids the warranty when we mentioned using Carlin's burners in them?



Bet we don't hear an explanation from Harper111................
All Steamed Up, Inc.
"Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"
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Oil & Gas Burner Service
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  • Robert O'BrienRobert O'Brien Posts: 2,339Member ✭✭✭
    Megasteam

    You can add Megasteam to that list shortly. These are Beckett supplied specs,not boiler manufacturer.
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  • BobCBobC Posts: 2,716Member ✭✭✭
    too late for me

    I'm glad they finally saw the writing on the wall. If they had done this a few years ago I'd have a Megasteam instead of the Smith G8 sitting in my cellar, i contacted Burnham at the time but they did not want to hear anything about gas conversions.



    Is there much of a difference between the Beckett and Carlin EZ-Gas gun?



    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 90,000 BTU, Single pipe steam
    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in
    3PSI gauge
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  • Robert O'BrienRobert O'Brien Posts: 2,339Member ✭✭✭
    CG4

    CG4 comes with a welded flange and preset for the boiler it is designed for. The Carlin has an adjustable flange and can fit almost anything.

    http://www.beckettcorp.com/product2/productdetail.asp?detailid=69
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  • USBUSB Posts: 1Member
    U.S. Boiler - Certification of Oil-fired Boilers

    U.S. Boiler Company, Inc. designs and certifies our oil boilers to UL726, Oil-Fired Boiler Assemblies, and our gas boilers to ANSI Z21.13, Standard for Gas-Fired Low Pressure Steam and Hot Water Boilers. We have not tested nor certified our oil boilers for use with gas conversion burners. Because of this, we cannot condone the use of power gas burners on our oil-fired boilers. We have made a request to Beckett to remove all information from their literature and web site that refers to gas burners installed in Burnham brand oil boilers.



    U.S. Boiler Company, Inc. Team
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  • SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 9,202Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2014
    Too late

    I saved it.



    To "USB" (a.k.a. "Harper111"?)- people are going to convert your boilers anyway. You might as well get behind this like some other manufacturers have.



    What are you going to do when increasing energy-efficiency standards outlaw the sale of atmospheric gas boilers like the Independence? "Blown Gas", as it's called in Europe, will rule. If you ignore this now, you'll have a LOT of catching up to do later, during which time you will lose a LOT of market share.



    Think about it. The gas-fired MPO and MegaSteam could help save your company.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    "Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Baltimore, MD (USA) and consulting anywhere.
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  • JStarJStar Posts: 2,499Member ✭✭✭
    Burnham

    Their non-commitment to the approval of a gas burner is the biggest reason why I don't use Burnham. Like Steamhead said, if that changes, I might decide otherwise.



    My guy-behind-the-counter at our local Sid Harvey's had some interesting insight when we talked bout the CG4 today. He mentioned that Petro is installing Burnham boilers and Riello burners exclusively so that nobody else will be able to service them in the future. This is obviously bad for Beckett. So, what can Beckett do? Well, they can manufaturer a gas burner that will be packaged with Burnham, forcing Petro to use more of their burners.



    As always...politics (appear to be) > than customer's best interest.
    - Joe Starosielec
    732-494-4357
    j.star@thatcherhvac.com
    http://thatcherhvac.com
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    Guaranteed performance. Guaranteed energy savings.
    Serving all of NJ, NYC, Southern NY State, and eastern PA.
    Consultation anywhere.
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  • JStarJStar Posts: 2,499Member ✭✭✭
    Beckett

    I just read through the CG4 manual. Looks very similar to the EZ-Gas burner. I do like the ability to mount the gas train on either side of the burner, and the orifice discs instead of Carlin's orifice tube. Our supplier said it would run a little more expensive than the Ez-Pro. Maybe we'll try this burner on a future job.
    - Joe Starosielec
    732-494-4357
    j.star@thatcherhvac.com
    http://thatcherhvac.com
    http://facebook.com/thatcherhvac

    Guaranteed performance. Guaranteed energy savings.
    Serving all of NJ, NYC, Southern NY State, and eastern PA.
    Consultation anywhere.
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  • chapchap70chapchap70 Posts: 131Member
    What other boiler manufacturers

    spec both oil and gas burners on the same residential boiler? I only know of Biasi and Energy Kinetics. Have there been any others to do this lately?

    '
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  • Robert O'BrienRobert O'Brien Posts: 2,339Member ✭✭✭
    US Boilers

    Thanks for your input,too few manufacturers are willing to participate anymore. I understand your position but not sure I agree. Have you considered approving gas burners on just the MPO/Megasteam? The Megasteam would be the best in class gas fired steam boiler as it is already with oil. Having the MPO convertible to gas would put it at an advantage to most triple pass oil boilers that are not,a consumer that just spent a fairly sizable amount on an MPO/Alliance/ODR card etc is loath to trash it when gas becomes available as it some point it will in all but rural areas. That feature is certainly a benefit to both contractor and consumer in making an MPO sale right now.
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  • ChrisChris Posts: 2,869Member
    I Find

    That statement "Petro is installing Burnham Boilers and Riello Burners exclusively so nobody can service them in the future" RIDICULOUS!!!!



    Basically what that Sid Harvey's guy is saying is that only Petro knows Riello burners..
    "The bitter taste of a poor installation remains much longer than the sweet taste of the lowest price."
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  • JStarJStar Posts: 2,499Member ✭✭✭
    Riello

    If you can't beat the competition, confuse them!
    - Joe Starosielec
    732-494-4357
    j.star@thatcherhvac.com
    http://thatcherhvac.com
    http://facebook.com/thatcherhvac

    Guaranteed performance. Guaranteed energy savings.
    Serving all of NJ, NYC, Southern NY State, and eastern PA.
    Consultation anywhere.
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  • earl burnermannearl burnermann Posts: 126Member
    Are we talking gas or oil burner???

    I've been out of the residential oil heat industry since 2010. But before that I saw that PETRO was using that combination in most of their installations for oil burning equipment.

    If you are talking about oil then your parts guy is behind the times. I remember being at a meeting back in 1987 when PETRO moved to the Riello Mectron burner in hopes of confusing the other oil companies.

    Here on Long Island I'd have to say that the most popular burner installed is the Riello R40 burner. Everyone puts them in. But you can't buy parts at Home Depot for them yet.
    If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy!
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  • Robert O'BrienRobert O'Brien Posts: 2,339Member ✭✭✭
    Chris

    That was true,I heard it

    from a Petro manager, only thing was it was 25 years ago! :)
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  • Robert O'BrienRobert O'Brien Posts: 2,339Member ✭✭✭
    Petro

    While it was certainly true that they sold primarily Riello,especially on Long Island. It no longer is, the hydraulic jack leaks and the lack of availability of product after Hurricane Sandy have shifted many people to Beckett
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  • JasonJason Posts: 208Member ✭✭
    Efficiency

    I just found out that Effective OCT 1, 2014 the EPA has raised the minimum efficiency for

    Energy Star to 87% for oil and 90% for gas. This does not mean boilers

    cannot be sold if the efficiency is less but just not sold with the

    energy star label.Many cast iron boilers will not meet this new Energy Star guideline from many manufacturers.
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  • j aj a Posts: 967Member ✭✭✭
    Its simple

    You want an oil boiler buy an oil boiler

    you want a gas boiler buy a gas boiler

    you want a combination oil/gas by a buy one of those.

    Done correctly on the approved boiler it will heat your home no differently than the other fuel…

    If tour into clean air then thats great

    if your into lower cost fuel [ AT THIS TIME ] thats great

    I believe the true savings comes from proper installation, a well insulated home,and a well managed thermostat…..
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  • Paul PolletsPaul Pollets Posts: 2,832Member ✭✭✭
    Others

    Viessmann is the only company I know of that offers either a gas or oil chassis burner for the VBC-Vitola boiler.
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  • NYplumberNYplumber Posts: 369Member ✭✭
    Intrepid

    Recently spoke to a Slantfin tech support team member regarding purchasing an Intrepid for a residential application where I would install a gas burner from day one. They approve the carlin burner for use in their boilers. The stack "wet time" of a power burner is much less then an atmospheric.
    :NYplumber:
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  • Aaron_in_MaineAaron_in_Maine Posts: 157Member ✭✭
    Buderus

    The tag on a 115 Buderus boiler is listed with oil and gas.
    Aaron Hamilton Heating
    ahheating@ yahoo.com
    (207)229-7717
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  • SteamheadSteamhead Posts: 9,202Member ✭✭✭✭
    No response from Burnham yet?

    I guess we shouldn't be surprised-.......................
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    "Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Baltimore, MD (USA) and consulting anywhere.
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