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BTU formulas?

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Sonoautomated
Sonoautomated Member Posts: 4
in THE MAIN WALL
I have a customer that owns an artesian well.  This customer is a hot water utility company that distributes heat and water to various companies.  One particular customer is an industrial laundromat that uses both heat and water.    Here is the scenario; they have a line coming in at 175 degrees F at 100 gpm. The line then T's and they take hot water off this T.  Bypassing the T is the return line its temperature is 140 degrees F and the flow rate is 50 gpm. My customer wants to bill the laundromat for the use of the heated water and for the use of the heat from the returned water.  So that leads me to my questions;  Using my supply and return flow rates, how do I calculate BTU usage.  On the T where the laundromat is taking water and doesn't return, how do calculate BTU on that?   Thanks for any help and equasions.

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  • Greg Maxwell
    Greg Maxwell Member Posts: 212
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    BTU Meters

    www.istec-corp.com
  • Sonoautomated
    Sonoautomated Member Posts: 4
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    Need Formulas

    Thanks for the links, but I need the formulas.  Especially where the water isn't returning.
  • Mark Eatherton
    Mark Eatherton Member Posts: 5,853
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    Simple numbers...

    Gallons per hour times pounds (8.3 per gallon, but you have to adjust for water temperature and subsequent density, which changes with temperature and is available from engineeringtoolbox.com) times delta T = BTUH.



    is THAT what your were talkin' about?



    ME
    It's not so much a case of "You got what you paid for", as it is a matter of "You DIDN'T get what you DIDN'T pay for, and you're NOT going to get what you thought you were in the way of comfort". Borrowed from Heatboy.
  • Sonoautomated
    Sonoautomated Member Posts: 4
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    BTU formulas?

    I figured the formula would be different since there wasn't a delta T for the one problem.
  • Mark Eatherton
    Mark Eatherton Member Posts: 5,853
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    Dsiplaced energy...

    If the end user had to heat his own water, and it was coming from a well, at say 45 degrees F, then the energy he avoided would be based on that entering water temperature and the final water temperature. If you take into consideration the efficiency of a water heater at a seasonal energy factor of say 70% (EF-.70), then you would take the delivered BTU's, and divide by .7 to compensate for what he would have wasted in regular energy getting the hot water to that point, If your customer wants to be real nice, he could just skip the last part of the formulae...



    I would then use the base cost per therm for conventional energy being displaced. If it were electricity, then it would be around $1.50 per therm (100,000 btu's) . If natural gas, then here in Denver it is around $0.50 per therm.



    ME
    It's not so much a case of "You got what you paid for", as it is a matter of "You DIDN'T get what you DIDN'T pay for, and you're NOT going to get what you thought you were in the way of comfort". Borrowed from Heatboy.
  • Sonoautomated
    Sonoautomated Member Posts: 4
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    BTU Formulas?

    That's what I was searching for.  Thanks for your supporting info...
  • markotah
    markotah Member Posts: 36
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    Electricity Cost?

    I thought,







    If 100,000 BTU  (1 therm) and 3412 BTU per KW than







    100000/3412= 29.31KW x .18 per KWH = $5.27 @ 100% EFF



    The .18 is average delivered cost in CT



     Am I doing something wrong? I am no where near $1.50
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