Follow up to Ron Jr's latest Buderus G115

D107

Today Ron and I finished the Logamatic settings--probably only 8-9 parameters needed to be changed, not that difficult. For someone who doesn't run into a Logamatic every day, Ron worked it like a typewriter.

House has a sporadic history of water pressure surges. Boiler relief valve blew three times in a week (blew once three weeks ago with the old boiler). Amtrol 30 was blown and waterlogged--since the pressure reducer was OK Ron's guess is bad tank. Easily able to transfer dead men decal to new tank. Reduced HW at tap to 120deg.

Also recharged T-12 expansion tank to 75lbs from 60. That's not fun with a bicycle pump. Had been a brief small leak from behind drain spigot. Also changed the ST-150 factory supplied 100XL relief valve with a 40XL. If it happens again, we'll just put a PRV on the main.

Checked the tube insertion depth for the G115/21 which was OK.(6") Had to change nozzle to a .50, and settings since it came from factory setup for a G115/28. Had to take out both baffles to achieve 350 deg. gross stack temp. Of course I gather the best time to do these tests is when it's really cold out; maybe we'll wait til Dec. 07 for our next tuneup. Ron called Joe@ Buderus a few times to verify a few things. They answer the phone at Buderus before the second ring.

On my visits out to the house as I observe temperature differential between t-stat/logamatic setting and actual room temp, I gather that adjustment of REF TEMP will solve that by adjusting the curve/water temps. Default is 167 deg supply water at 14 degrees, which seems a little high.

Looking forward to tracking fuel usage. From Jan 06 almost through Oct. 06, over 800 gallons were used. I'm thinking maybe 500 gallons this year given equivalent outdoor temps.

I think we figured out that Ron has installed over 2000 boilers in 20 years. So I'd like to lay claim this was his 2000th.

Thanks,

David

Uni R_2

2000 Boilers!!! WTG Ron Jr!

That's unreal!

Patchogue Phil_29

feed valves

Those pressure reducing feed valves do not like high water pressure (above 80 to 100 PSI) on the input side. What is your street pressure?

Some will argue that since you have a low water cutoff, then you do not need the water *on* feeding the pressure reducing feed valve.

Congrats to Ron on #2000.

[Deleted User]

WOW...

Congrats Ron Jr. If you keep raising the bar, you're gonna have to start getting permission form the FAA for flight clearances!

I'm not sure I've even SEEN 2,000 boilers in my 1/3 of a century years worth of hydronic experience.

You are one amazing mechanic..


Congrats, and take it easy will ya, you're making me look bad in my partners eyes because it takes me (us) 3 or 4 days to do a gut rehab on an apartment complex.

Here's a view of what backs up to my back yard up at ZanaX Ranch :-)

Enjoy!

ME

ScottMP

Beautifull view Mark BUT MORE IMPORTANT

Congratulations to Ron for 2,000 installs

What a milestone.

Now I know why your so good Practice makes PERFECT.

Dan, we need another Wetsock so I cna buy Ron a Beer.

Scott

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lchmb

Umm Scott

After that many boiler's we should buy him a case!! Congrat's Ron... Your a true example of a professional!!!

D107

water company says they keep it 55-60

and that they haven't had complaints. However I'd bet many residents wouldn't even notice if their boiler's relief valve popped spilling a quart or so. They keep pressure centrally with no PRVs on street side. In my own house upstate we have our own PRV--and they probably don't last more than 10 years--prone to leaking at the end. I would say a PRV set for 55-60 and rated to handle 80-100 lbs would be plenty--seems like a necessary precaution. What are some highly related brands? I know we have a Watts which doesn't look like anything special.

Thanks,

David

Patchogue Phil_29

company line

Yeah, that's what the water company "says" all the time. I know that around here (Long Island) many residential areas have street water pressure in excess of 100 to 125 psi. A lot of the water mains in some areas are small diameter pipe. With all the expansion building up of neighborhoods, they had to compensate by raising the water pressure.

To be sure, have the water inlet pressure checked. The guages are inexpensive.

Unknown

Wow , thanks everyone

I never really thought hard about how many I've installed so far , until David asked . That 2000 number is extremely rough . I averaged it out to 2 boilers a week times 50 weeks times 21 years . Although these past few years it's more like 3 or 4 a week . I used to keep a daily planner with the jobs we installed - from 1991 to 1997 . I shoulda kept doing that - it's always cool to read the stuff we used to do in the city . I forgot about the loooooong hours .

2000 is low compared to Phil and Paul - they're installers with me and they both have over 30 years in . Same hectic boiler pace too .

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Finger's crossed

for another Wetstock . I think Ken suggested renting a space on the Intrepid for a pontential Gathering spot . That option is gone for a while though . But I think a NYC Wetstock would be amazing . Maybe have a Slant/Fin tour if they'd allow it .

Scott , the 30 Extrol on David's boiler water-logged on us . First time in a long time I hung it down and it lasted a week . The isolation valves made it real easy to replace .

I'm a Corona drinker for the time being , Scott . That might change by the next time we meet up . I'll keep you updated

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Phil

The Taco feed valve is good to 100 lbs . The pressure coming in to the home was around 60 to 65 when I checked it the 2nd day . I pumped the domestic expansion tank to 75 psi , just in case .

I know what you mean about the pressure in some water districts on L.I. All of Jericho is over 100 lbs all the time and I once had 130 psi at a home in Rocky Point . It sounded like a freight train in the basement whenever someone opened the water .

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I know waht you're doing Mark

Tempting a poor flatlander with breathtaking vistas . I'd need a good 401k too .

Thanks Mark .

Patchogue Phil_29

Pressure

My MIL lived in Coram, and the water pressure pinned the needle on my guage that went to 120 psi. I compared to another guage and it showed the same.

The water feed did blowout on the boiler, made a steamroom out of the garage. So much moisture that the ceiling drywall fell off to the floor.

Constantly blowing out faucet seat gaskets and crown stems all weeped.

Unknown

It is

a little hard to believe . I still remember my first install - it was so bad I decided boilers wasn't really my thing . 4 months later I was asked to try it again . And now I'm here .

Thanks alot Uni R .

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Right

back at you , Lchmb . Hey , you're way overdue for some install pics to post . Anything exciting you're working on now ?

BillW@honeywell

Great job #2000 !

You are one of a kind! Unbelievable! Next time you run into that high city water pressure issue, consider one of our DS05 series pressure-reducing valves. You set them with a dial on the top, them let them alone. They usually are installed right after the city water shut off valve, close to where the main enters the building. Sizes from 1/2 inch to 1 1/4 inch, any distributor can get them. They reduce the water pressure for everything in the house. With pressures that high, I suprised you don't get more calls for blown dish and clothes washer hoses, or damaged valves, or icemaker problems. Sorry about the commercial, but I thought it would help. I also vote for another Wetstock...the Intrepid may be gone for a while, but the USS New Jersey is still here...mighty big boilers on that beast!