Don't you just love GCs?....(JohnNY)

jim lockard

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Mad dog -Working for the owners of real property is the only way to fly. No GC's need apply. J.Lockard

JohnNY

8,000 sq. ft., $7,500,000 building in NYC.

Conversation went like this:

GC: "Can you design a zoned hot water heating system for this building?"

Me: "Sure, I can."

GC: "Good. That'll save the client about $4,000 that he was gonna pay the engineer."


Once again, people assuming I work for free.
Where does this come from?


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Brad White_9

I want to know

where you could find an engineer who would do that for $4,000 unless it is the simplest of systems. Specifications, schedules, drawings, calculations, field work, construction observation, liability, it all adds up.

Not to mention that one has to be dumbstruck at the attitudes of some people.

But John, at least you know the target price to add into your proposal! Sure, it may save the owner what was to be paid to the engineer. No one said anything about not paying you.

Ted_9

Contractors

I have been recently let down by a contractor that showed all the signs of being different. In the end, this contractor is the same as the rest of them.


OK, now it's everyone else's turn to vent. Please form a single file line below:

Massachusetts

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Mark Hunt

Excellent!!!!


That is GREAT news John!!

Now, no matter WHAT you charge you can always say that it would have been $4000 more had they hired the engineer!

The GC handed you the Golden Fleece!!!!

RUN WITH IT MAN!!!

I would also mention that you know an engineer in Mass. that would have charged TRIPLE that so the real savings is more in line with $12k. Thanks Brad!

Mark H

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Unknown

Love this guy!!

I don't know anyone who has a more positive selling approach than Mark.

He has the right answer for any negative!

Way to go Mark!!

Unknown

what about this one?

My ex company boss referred this guy to me, he warned me about this job. As far as I know, this contractor installed some ploy tubings in driveway and room addition, then dropped off the water heater and told customer that they don't do "boiler" hook up... I checked with the local supply house engineering dept if they came across with this job, nope. I havnt seen it yet and I'll proceed with extreme caution and get back to u wallies....

Brad White_9

Unfair tease, Ted....

There is a story there and you are only dangling it in front of us, like steak in front of hungry lions....

The confessional is open. Speak to me, my son...

Ted_9

Story

to remain untold on this forum. I will add that we were always on schedule and did neat professional work.

Massachusetts

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GW

I hope you're good

You better know your way around a good well written agreement with plenty of disclosures. If I may say so, it's one of my strengths. Write a proposal with leaks and you'll be eaten for lunch!

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Mad Dog_2

John........................................................

I have never met a GC that was not ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!About himself. The best move we ever made was staying away from them - altogether. Keep it tight bro. Mad Dog

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Mad Dog_2

Mr Hunt is deadly..............................

Mad Dog

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Tombig_5

They Aren't All Bad

Most of my work is through GC's and over the years I've worked for some doozies. They've run the gamut from the ones who don't know their a*# from a hole in the ground to the ones who just want to take money out of your pocket and put it in theirs. I've settled into a core group of five or six who give me enough work to stay busy year round.

The ones I work for are timely payers, understand (usually) that they're not my only client, know that since they treat me well I won't abandon them when things go sour and will back them up when needed...the kind of contractors who'll pay me in full while they're liening a customers property. I guess I'm lucky but it sure has been a long road to this point.

Ragu_5

Yes, that Mr. Hunt sure is good...

He knows his stuff, does good work and knows how to sell. He's great! Once he learns how to close his tailgate, he will be awesome!

Sorry, Mark; I just had to! Yes, I understand that I will have to pay for this one dearly when we meet in person. Thanks. Jack


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Mark Hunt

I don't blame you one bit


I'll probably post anonymously at some point and make fun of myself!!!

Mark H

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Ragu_5

Seriously, though...

I concur with Ted that we can be SERIOUSLY let down by the average G.C. Around here, they are ALWAYS shopping for the cheapest price, onto which they tack on 15%. I really like that one job out of a hundred that is actually engineered with specs; very rare, indeed.

I think the most common error that I see from G.C.'s is that they do a very poor job of insulating, and that directly affects the performance of our heating systems. Very sad. I now prefer to deal with the owners directly. I am tired of the clause: "Work to be performed by others...". I can't count how many radiant slabs around here never got their required perimeter insulation, because it was left up to the G.C. It's a shame. It's much better to take the bull by the horns.

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jim lockard

Me too

Mad dog -Working for the owners of real property is the only way to fly. No GC's need apply. J.Lockard