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Re: Gorton air vent quality
I am not a QA engineer. I am an RF Engineer with QA QC experience in addition to design test and measurement in manufacturing and now at the end of my career in the service sector . I am certain that I know why your vent float was in it's condition, I just do not want to be the one to say it because I have made statements that some would consider critical of some manufacturers. When I was a young lad in the 1970s I followed auto racing. USAC NASCAR CANAM. There was a number of incidents when during races at racing speeds the wheels came off of cars. The pit crews were blamed. They were not doing anything differently than they had before. The engineers and tire people discovered that the crews were not at fault. The tire fasteners were not suitable for the vibrations and higher centripetal forces above 185 mph. Whenever I was given investigative duties I had a saying. "Trust no one suspect every one" and "what is obvious to you may not be to others"
Seasonal Maine home
We own a seasonal cottage on an island off of Portland, ME. We are doing a small addition of a 1st floor primary bed & bath. We want to do the plumbing ourselves (no heating system involved). Are we able to pull the permit as the homeowner even though it is not our primary residence?
Re: Gorton air vent quality
ethicalpaul, I do not know what you mean by trauma. I and other members on this site have dropped and thrown these vents and could not dislodge the pins. I have opened measured and inspected over 50 G#5, G#6, GC and GD vents which all use the same case and bimettalic strip arrangement as the G#4. In all cases I had to use both hands. One to press hard to get the extended end of the strip to touch the base of the case and then more pressure to deform it and the other hand to pull the pin out of the hole. In addition, the same was done to restore the pin to it's position on the strip. In one vent I could not get it out. If you have big fingers it is difficult to do this. I have a QA/QC background earlier in my career and statistically if they could be dislodged by banging them around, it would be verified. If anyone has successfully dislodged the pins in these vents please let me know.
Re: Not all Old Timers took pride in their work
Wonder what plumbing codes existed in 1910 when this was done in my house?Big cities? Way before 1910. Boonies? Not even today.
I'm assuming none in my area.
When did plumbing codes really take off and get implemented and start getting inspected etc?
Re: Not all Old Timers took pride in their work
Old timers had told me that cutters were not yet available. From what I have been told, the scissor cutter wasn't around much back then. May not have been invented.
The first scissor chain cutter and then in later years, the ratcheting chain cutter was introduced.
The first scissor chain cutter and then in later years, the ratcheting chain cutter was introduced.
Intplm.
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Re: Not all Old Timers took pride in their work
Hey @ChrisJIn our first year apprenticeship, we had to cut 4" XH with a hammer 🔨 & chisel..Mad Dog 🐕
What was the standard duty 4" in my house cut with back in 1910?
And what did they pour the joints with?
Standard weight. (Often the same as todays No hub or -NH-) XH, XXH of all dimensions was cut and can still be cut with a hammer and chisel and was probably the method used on your house.
Oakum or what was also called hemp was packed into the circumference of the bell and spigot leaving about an inch below the top of the bell.
On the inside at this space is a groove around the full circumference where molten lead would be poured.
Lead and oakum would seal the joint.
Intplm.
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Runtal Charleston Pro with one pipe steam
Hi--I'm renovating my living room and bedroom and I want to replace the old cast iron radiators with Runtal Charleston Pros--brochure here:
https://runtalnorthamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/charleston-radiator-1.pdf
I realize many people feel that these newer radiators don't provide as good/consistent of heat as the traditional cast iron ones. I'm willing to live with this--I'm on the first floor and it's always quite hot down here compared to upstairs. I'm insulating both of these rooms as part of the renovation and I've taken all the obvious steps to balance the system. For the purposes of this discussion let's not get into the 'quality' of heat provided by these radiators--I want to use them because they're wall hung and the 16" height will fit between my baseboard and window sill.
That said, I don't want to end up dealing with water hammer issues or anything like that. I've spoken to a couple of plumbers who seem comfortable working with these radiators, but I also spoke to one plumber who said he had a horrible experience with one and that he refused to ever do it again. He said that there was water hammer so bad that he had to pitch the radiator 1/4" per foot to get it to stop. That got me scared, but he wasn't really able to give an explanation for why this would be any more of an issue with these radiators versus traditional cast iron ones. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I can't imagine this company is able to market these radiators for one-pipe steam if this kind of issue always comes up...
I'm also getting mixed opinions from different plumbers about whether it's okay to pipe the steam up through the wall to have a horizontal stub supplying the radiator. Most are telling me it's fine--and I would prefer to do it this way--but again there's one plumber telling me that for one-pipe steam the stub has to emerge vertically from the floor. Is it crazy to supply steam to a radiator with a horizontal stub coming out of the wall?
Thank you everyone for your help!
https://runtalnorthamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/charleston-radiator-1.pdf
I realize many people feel that these newer radiators don't provide as good/consistent of heat as the traditional cast iron ones. I'm willing to live with this--I'm on the first floor and it's always quite hot down here compared to upstairs. I'm insulating both of these rooms as part of the renovation and I've taken all the obvious steps to balance the system. For the purposes of this discussion let's not get into the 'quality' of heat provided by these radiators--I want to use them because they're wall hung and the 16" height will fit between my baseboard and window sill.
That said, I don't want to end up dealing with water hammer issues or anything like that. I've spoken to a couple of plumbers who seem comfortable working with these radiators, but I also spoke to one plumber who said he had a horrible experience with one and that he refused to ever do it again. He said that there was water hammer so bad that he had to pitch the radiator 1/4" per foot to get it to stop. That got me scared, but he wasn't really able to give an explanation for why this would be any more of an issue with these radiators versus traditional cast iron ones. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I can't imagine this company is able to market these radiators for one-pipe steam if this kind of issue always comes up...
I'm also getting mixed opinions from different plumbers about whether it's okay to pipe the steam up through the wall to have a horizontal stub supplying the radiator. Most are telling me it's fine--and I would prefer to do it this way--but again there's one plumber telling me that for one-pipe steam the stub has to emerge vertically from the floor. Is it crazy to supply steam to a radiator with a horizontal stub coming out of the wall?
Thank you everyone for your help!
Re: Vent Testing and Repair
Nice. I LOVE that pressure cooker test rig!!
While you had those Gorton #2s open, did you ever happen to see if the "float" actually "floats"? I found in their #1, it sinks like a stone.
While you had those Gorton #2s open, did you ever happen to see if the "float" actually "floats"? I found in their #1, it sinks like a stone.
Re: Thermostats for Steam/Hot Water Hybrid
For your documentation, the shematic of the RA832 is here:
https://customer.resideo.com/resources/Techlit/TechLitDocuments/60-0000s/60-2481.pdf
see: Fig. 3. Internal schematic and typical hookup for RA832A
https://customer.resideo.com/resources/Techlit/TechLitDocuments/60-0000s/60-2481.pdf
see: Fig. 3. Internal schematic and typical hookup for RA832A
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Re: Water in sight glass
Or there's an almost closed radiator somewhere that's draining back to the boiler. 
Had one in one apartment that probably had 20 gallons of condensate in it.
Had one in one apartment that probably had 20 gallons of condensate in it.
