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Solar water heater electric backup overheat trip

joseph annonjoseph annon Posts: 33Member
I have a customer with a SDHW system.

It is a 80 gallon tank with a 4*8 flat plate collector.

System is 6 yrs old.

Problem. From beginning the customer has complained about the reset button on the thermostat for the electric backup thermostat popping.Company that installed the system went back and installed a control to run the pump in the evening to cool the tank. This does not appear to have helped.

I replaced the thermostat and that solved the problem for about 4 months.

It has started up again.

Any ideas on solutions?

Joe
JMMA
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  • hot rodhot rod Posts: 3,780Member ✭✭✭
    how hot

    are they running the tank? Check the solar control for the storage max. setting. I've found if you try and run 160F or more it will pop the reset on the electrical element located on top.



    I'm not sure what temperature the newer resets are set for, but if the bottom tank sensor see 160F, often times the upper portion of the tank may exceed 180F.



    I have also heard of T&P valves seeping on solar tanks that are set too high.



    Put a temperature gauge up high on the tank and see what it reads.



    You may need to lower the tank temperature setting on the solar control a bit.



    The night time cooling function is good for times when the home is un-used to lower the tank temperature, but you may start the next morning with a cooled down tank. This lowers your solar benefit, and may kick on the element because the tank was pulled down too much.
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    The magic is in hydronics, and hydronics is in me
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  • joseph annonjoseph annon Posts: 33Member
    Pv Direct pump

    I will look at putting in a switch to interrupt the PV power to the pump.

    There were problems with T&P weeping. solved that issue with a higher quality T&P. Same temp and pressure rating just a higher max BTU rating also about 5X the cost of basic T&P.

    Joe
    JMMA
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  • hot rodhot rod Posts: 3,780Member ✭✭✭
    classis example

    of why PV powered solar thermal may need temperature control. Just because the sun is shinning doesn't mean the tank needs, or can take energy.



    A lot depends on the collector to tank capacity ratio, and how much DHW the home uses everyday.



    There are a few PV powered differential controls available on the market.



    hr
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    The magic is in hydronics, and hydronics is in me
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  • SWEISWEI Posts: 4,881Member ✭✭✭✭
    PV direct

    We used to put a snap switch on the tank and wire it in series with the one on the collectors.
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  • michaelmichael Posts: 302Member ✭✭
    ac/dc relay switch

    Joe,



    How about using a ac/dc relay switch to control the pv pump :http://static.schneider-electric.us/docs/Machine%20Control/Relays%20and%20Timers/Relays-General%20Purpose/Relays-Miniature/8501CT0301R708%20Relays.pdf.



    That way the PV pump can run on a differential like an AC pump would. I thought about this a few times because I noticed the pv pump would start early and run late causing a cool down in the storage tank.
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  • Larry WeingartenLarry Weingarten Posts: 988Member ✭✭✭
    I'd like to second...

    ... what Hot Rod said   "A lot depends on the collector to tank capacity ratio, and how much DHW the home uses everyday."  To me, a single 4 by 8 foot collector is undersized for an 80 gallon tank unless you're in someplace hot like Phoenix.  This suggests the owners don't use much hot water.  A non technical fix would be to tarp off about half of the collector in summer.  I'd start though be getting a better idea of how much hot water is really used and how much time is spent away from home.



    Yours,  Larry
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  • Kevin_in_DenverKevin_in_Denver Posts: 588Member
    12VDC Differential controller

    This one was developed for this application:

    http://arttecsolar.com/specs.htm
    Superinsulated Passive solar house, Buderus in floor backup heat by Mark Eatherton, 3KW grid-tied PV system, various solar thermal experiments
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  • SWEISWEI Posts: 4,881Member ✭✭✭✭
    Two snap switches

    One on the collector, closes @80F or so.



    One on the tank, opens @160F or so.



    Wire in series with pump and panel.
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