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I use to come to this website on a daily basis quite a few years ago before 3-pass boilers were not as popular as they are today. Since I've come back I have noticed alot of mis-information on german boilers being priced much higher then there american counterparts. This is just not true.
I deal on a daily basis with Peerless, Burnham, Crown, Munchkin, Triangle and just about any other boiler line you can come up with. I don not sell Buderus but I do sell Viessmann and have been dealing with Viessmann since the late 1980's.
The Vitrond 100 which I will use for my comparison is Viessmanns introductory 3-pass boiler that is the direct competition to the everyday american 3-pass.
That boiler with a Beckett NX is just as or less than any american 3-pass boiler. Can I make it more money by adding controls and accessories? Of course I can but I don't use nor try to. This is a basic 3-pass that comes with the same honeywell aquastat that the american boilers do. I use the same zone control whether as everyone else whether it's Taco, Argo or whatever brand tickles your fancy. If I want out-door reset I add Taco's PC700 as I am a Taco user.
Actually I can sell a VR1-22 with a beckett nx for less money then a standard Peerless WBV03, Crown TWZ100 or Burnham PV83 (now VH83) and give the customer a better boiler.
What most contractors miss out in the field on replacements is actually two things: a) Doing a heat loss and b) Measuring heat emmitters. They still stick those 3 and 4 fingers in the front yard and pick the boiler or just read the lable on the old clunker in the basement. So they call there local supply house, get some in-experienced (in hydronics) counter guy and tell them they need a 3 or 4 section boiler. Now the counter guy throws out the price on that standard american pin-style boiler and since he just came back from a counter day or class he asks the contractor, "hey we stock _______(fill in the blank, Viessmann, Buderus) how many btus do you need?" (there is no 3 or 4 section in 3-pass world) The contractor tells him I need 150,00 btus because that's what the label on the clunker said. So opens up the book and finds a 3-pass that matches the btu's and boom low and behold it's twice as much. Since Johnny the counter guy has no clue about hydronics he never asked if the guy did a heat loss or atleast asked him how much baseboard he had on the job or radiator sizes.
My point here is that the German guys are no more pricey then the American guys. Can they be? Sure they can. I'm a firm beliver in putting the right equipment in for the job and giving the consumer the best bang for his buck. I just wanted to share my thoughts.
"The bitter taste of a poor installation remains much longer than the sweet taste of the lowest price."